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Report: Manchester United apologise over Moyes hiring

by | 02/08/2013  Comments (283)  jump
'Deal was done months before the announcement'

The Mirror are reporting that Manchester United have issued a written apology to Everton over the way they went about securing the services of David Moyes. The report claims that the issue has caused a considerable rift between the clubs, and is being presented as the reason behind Toffees' determination to hold on to Leighton Baines.

David Maddock writes that "Goodison chiefs are still furious at the way they were treated by the champions over their pursuit of Sir Alex Ferguson's successor" and that "Old Trafford officials have said sorry in an attempt to diffuse the row, which threatened to escalate into a full-scale complaint to the Premier League".

Moyes — by his own admission — was approached by the club months before any official announcement of his appointment which might explain his evasive responses when asked about renewing his contract at Goodison and support The Mirror's claims that Everton were also annoyed when United revealed the Scot would replace Ferguson almost three weeks before the end of last season.

The Old Trafford club have already had a reported £12M bid for Baines rejected and though Everton are not welcoming further bids, media outlets continue to speculate that an increased offer is forthcoming.

Quotes or other material sourced from The Mirror

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Patrick Murphy
022 Posted 02/08/2013 at 12:48:23
They can stick the apology where the sun don't shine. They've only said sorry because of self interest. They want one possibly two of our best players and think that this will help them. Who knows at what point the decision was made to appoint Moyes or when DM knew he was going there. My guess and gut feeling is before the Wigan FA Cup tie and therefore we were not focused upon a game which may have led to silverware for Everton FC.
Steve Guy
024 Posted 02/08/2013 at 12:54:20
I see the Mirror are reporting that Manure have formally written to Everton apologising for the manner of their recruitment of Mr. Moyes. If true it's about time and "no" you still can't have Baines!
Kev Johnson
025 Posted 02/08/2013 at 12:52:56
I don't get this. Moyes has said* SAF summoned him in the run up to the derby, which was on 5 May. The official announcement was 9 May. So how does this constitute the deal being done months before the announcement? What is the evidence for that?

* Here's where he said that:

Simon Smith
026 Posted 02/08/2013 at 12:55:36
So the Mirror is telling us what we all knew that the way Man Utd went about getting DM has pissed a few people off behind the scenes at Everton and in doing so is why they have told them to sling their hook about signing Baines on the cheap!

I for one would laugh so loud if it all went tits up for DM with them!!

Daniel Lawrence
027 Posted 02/08/2013 at 12:55:56
Yes, Kenwright really told them ddn't he whilst self-serving in front of the cameras and eulogising about Moyes after the appointment
Paul Burns
028 Posted 02/08/2013 at 12:54:37
So holding on to Leighton Baines is nothing to do with what is in the interests of Everton Football Club and all to do with messing manure about because we're miffed at them for Moyes.
What a way to run a club.
Jackie Barry
029 Posted 02/08/2013 at 12:55:35
Well, well, obviously there was something in the way they went about getting Moyes, still in the end it has worked out for the best, my team are looking good for the new season.
Andrew Ellams
031 Posted 02/08/2013 at 12:57:48
I have a sneaky feeling it's all going to end in tears for our former manager. Things don't seem to have started too well for him
Terry Maher
033 Posted 02/08/2013 at 12:55:00
Man Utd can stick it up their arse.

No compensation for Moyes... all planed out...

I hate Moyes and I hate Man Utd.
Alan McGuffog
034 Posted 02/08/2013 at 13:02:11
Some of us joked about this in the past but it appears that Manchester United did view us as some sort of feeder club.... and afforded us the lack of respect accordingly.
Christian Gawne
035 Posted 02/08/2013 at 13:01:19
I'll never forget Martinez's response when we drew Wigan in the cup. He laughed and said he knew he would get Everton. Now why would he have any sort of opinion like that if he had no link to us?

For me, this was done before the draw for the quarter finals of the cup and that was back in February. I really believe it all goes back that far and that deals were done then. All the rest was a typical Kenwrong production.

Wayne McNee
036 Posted 02/08/2013 at 13:01:50
I love being right!! All the Moyes boys waffling about DM being in the dark until weeks before, man of honour etc.. Defending his bollocks in interviews. Well it's there in black & white. We're rid of a shit manager & thank God we're rid of that shit, creepy link to OT.

COYB! Let's have some of Bertos sexy football.

Derek Knox
037 Posted 02/08/2013 at 12:56:13
The timing definitely seems a bit suspect, but at the end of the day I think that they have done us a favour! We were fairly secure in terms of league position and able to tread water comfortably but not really getting anywhere! On the playing front we were effective without being that good to watch!

I believe we are in a new and exciting transition, which is already showing in our style of play, although it is early days yet!

Lee Mandaracas
039 Posted 02/08/2013 at 13:03:33
Why do papers insist on merging two totally separate stories?

Moyes was tapped up and we were due at the very least an unequivocal apology.

Baines's transfer bid was derisory and an insult for a player of his status and calibre.

That does not mean an apology would make us accept a £12.5M bid does it? For me, I wouldn't want him to go at all so anything south of £20M would be a non-starter.

Drew Shortis
040 Posted 02/08/2013 at 13:05:16
Couldn't care less about this now. We have a great new manager who promises attractive football. Time to move on!

We should be doing everything we can to keep Baines and Fellaini because it means we have a stronger team with them here, not to get revenge on Man Utd. We need to get a new improved deal on the table for Baines so he can make his decisions. The sooner this is settled the better!

David Denby
041 Posted 02/08/2013 at 13:06:24
I'm just looking forward to April 19th. I did clap Moyes on the last game as I thought overall he'd done fairly well. Now hearing it confirmed that it was done months back just makes me feel like a tit for clapping him. I fancy an all four stand rendition of 'who the fucking hell are you' for that day.

That's if he's still in a job by then. I am going to put a tenner on Giggs being in charge by the end of the season though.

Dave Lynch
042 Posted 02/08/2013 at 13:01:20
I never, ever, ever in my wildest dreams thought I would say this but....
Come the third game of the season I hope the shite rip them a new arse.

Moyes was complicit in this and we knew it from the outset, now the truth is out his worshipers will see him for what he is, a man who strung us along with his excusues for not signing a new contract.

I'm not arsed about him showing disrespect to the board but he could have been honest with the fans.

Utd are a shower of shitbags and they deserve each other IMO. Slap a 30 million price tag on LB and don't move on it.

I hope he bombs big time...

Kev Johnson
045 Posted 02/08/2013 at 13:10:22
Christian - I remember that, too.

Wayne - where is it in black and white? I was a critic of Moyes and am thrilled he's gone and Roberto has come in. Nevertheless, this report proves nothing.

If we could catch a crafty glimpse of Man U's apology letter then we'd be in the know. As it is, we're no wiser. As I understand it, they're are apologising for messing us about in the last few games of the season. Also, shouldn't they have approached BK rather than offering the job directly to DM?

My gut instinct tells me this DM WAS lined up months in advance and shortly after RM was tipped the wink he was favourite for the Goodison job, but where is the evidence? I haven't seen any.

Geoff Freeman
047 Posted 02/08/2013 at 13:19:51
Dave Lynch, I couldn't agree with you more.
James Morgan
048 Posted 02/08/2013 at 13:14:24
I'm so glad he's gone and we have a positive forward thinking manager in his place. I'm also glad there is a rift, all the more reason for the board not wanting to sell Baines.
Ian Burns
050 Posted 02/08/2013 at 13:20:18
I wish they would tap up Mr Kenwright!
Craig Walker
057 Posted 02/08/2013 at 13:25:51
Davey Moyes. Davey Moyes. Davey Davey Moyes.
He's got red hair
He did not care
Davey Davey Moyes

Ste Traverse
059 Posted 02/08/2013 at 13:28:51
I thought with Moyes being out of contract this summer, he was free to negotiate elsewhere from Jan 1st this year?

Unless the Mancs approached him before that date, I'm not sure what they've done to piss Everton off apart from announcing it before the end of the season.

But if this has been motivated by their desire to acquire Baines, we should dig our heels further.

And Moyes has now been totally unveiled as a self-serving prick who strung us along.

I hope he fails. Good riddance.

Paul Ellam
060 Posted 02/08/2013 at 13:31:43
I was very much pro-Moyes when he was at this club but like most things in life, there are always shady doings behind the scenes! (thinking the government, royalty, celebrities etc).

My faith in him has been shaken and I kind of hope he has a poor time at Man Utd now. (Karma an' all that!)

Kevin Tully
061 Posted 02/08/2013 at 13:33:06
I find this quite funny actually - there seems to be a serious shortage of well-wishers on here these days???

'I hope he is a great success at Utd, he deserves it' being one of the more memorable posts.

David Chait
064 Posted 02/08/2013 at 13:41:03
Truly... Who gives a shit... We have all moved on... Most of us anyway... There is enough to keep us busy with Everton than linger on what did or didn't happen. It has bearing on anything really... Let alone our season past.
Craig Walker
070 Posted 02/08/2013 at 13:46:24
I was pro Moyes until the semi-final loss against the RS. From that moment on, his failings made me realise that it was time for a change.

I wanted RM as manager as soon as they humbed us in the cup last season. I'm not deluded to think that Moyes would turn Man Utd down but his comments since leaving seem to be having a pop at Everton (particularly his comment about the will to win even in training at United).

As I've said before, who was the one who started every season with his 40 points mantra and against any serious opposition played the 'Li'l ole Everton" card? I'm afraid Moyes that you were the one who put it into the players' heads that they were underdogs and punching above their weight.

Do I think Moyes was good for Everton? Yes; Am I sad that he is gone? Absolutely not. Am I looking forward to Everton under RM? Can't wait.

Brent Stephens
074 Posted 02/08/2013 at 13:38:10
I'm just a tad surprised if anybody expects any employee of an organisation to necessarily be committed to the organisation. Committed to a job while your're at the organisation is a different matter, as is commitment to a profession / vocation. He wasn't an Everton lad / fan. He was committed to the job. He was / is committed to his profession / vocation. So we should anticipate the worst that could happen in terms of staying / going.
Mark Dunford
075 Posted 02/08/2013 at 13:45:05
Is anyone surprised by this revelation? The original plan fell to pieces when SAF's health problem came to light and it was clear he wouldn't be around for the start of the coming season. People asked reasonable questions about this and then it quickly spiralled.

Given the position with Moyes's contract, it doesn't seem unreasonable for him to have spoken with another club. Happens in the real world. Time for everyone to grow up and move on. I don't really care whether he sinks or swims at Utd. We should thank him for bringing stability to Everton and let that be the end of it..

This apology counts for nothing in the fight to retain LB. I still suspect Fellaini will end up there

Tony Marsh
076 Posted 02/08/2013 at 13:39:11
I never liked Moyes and I am glad that what ever underhand backstabbiing shithouse tricks went on behind the scenes we ended up with Roberto Martinez. I often felt like punching some of our often lot when they used to defend that Ginger Muppet. Good riddance to the miserable twat.

He has made the biggest mistake of his life thinking he has what it takes to follow in SAF's shoes. I tell you what did make me choke laughing was a YouTube video: 15 Things you don't know about David Moyes.

20 years ago Deadly Dave met the woman who is now his wife in a Disco Ha Ha Ha. Can you imagine that dour fucker propped up against the bar in his courdroy trousers, suedies and big woolly cardigan with leather patches on the elbows waiting pounce? Davey Travolta.... I thought it was hilarious.

So at the end of 11 years of earning top dollar at this club and getting so much support from his faithful worshipers, he knifed you all in the back. Doesn't surprise me one bit as I always knew he was a Weasel. Stick the sorry up ye arse Manc twats.

Mark Tanton
079 Posted 02/08/2013 at 13:57:22
When do you think there was no way back for Moyes? When did you decide Everton might well be better off without him?

For me it started with the Chelsea final, where we should have just relaxed and gone out of sight after scoring so early instead of shutting up shop for 89 minutes.

Then the two Liverpool fuck-ups really finished it for me.

Ciarán McGlone
082 Posted 02/08/2013 at 13:58:29
Moyes was also complicit in this underhand deceit....firstly he said he knew nothing about it until a week before his appointment, then he admitted he'd known well before that..

I'm actually surprised, that anyone's surprised!

The whole conjuring trick that Moyes was paragon of integrity was transparent bullshit from the start.

Michael Kenrick
085 Posted 02/08/2013 at 14:02:07
What doesn't seem to smell right about this story is Weepy Bill's crocodile tears amidst the proclamation that Davey had "'earned the right" to do whatever he liked. That was the time when the club should have been screaming Blue Murder and kicking up a stink. But they apparently did nothing.
Kev Johnson
088 Posted 02/08/2013 at 14:03:31
Ciaran - WHERE did he say that he'd "known well before that"?
Shane Corcoran
090 Posted 02/08/2013 at 14:03:18
I am actually surprised.

I'm finding myself being very gullible lately regarding giving people the benefit of the doubt.

I mean he just came out a few weeks ago with Kev Johnson's bit above and now this.

Shane Corcoran
092 Posted 02/08/2013 at 14:07:44
Of course I'm jumping the gun (as TW usually does) by believing the source of this story.
Gullible again?
Tony J Williams
093 Posted 02/08/2013 at 14:07:43
"Moyes - by his own admission - was approached by United months before the official announcement of his appointment" - Where was that then? I haven't seen anything, anywhere (apart from the conspiracy theorists on here) that suggests he admits that.

He's gone, we have a new young enthusiastic manager with connection to Spain for deals, who gives a flying fuck what the Manc fucks are sorry for? Won't make any difference to us.

Dave Lynch, fucking shame on you...the shite deserve to get twatted every single game.

Michael Kenrick
096 Posted 02/08/2013 at 14:13:24
TJW — that was a direct quote out of The Mirror.

Don't make me go back and look up the story we had where the Moyes lovers disbelieved that contention....

Jamie Crowley
097 Posted 02/08/2013 at 14:11:06
Patrick Murphy with the very first comment said it all. This is simply more self-serving bullshit to attempt to smooth things over so they can snatch Baines and maybe Felliani.

Moyes hasn't signed anyone of note (surprise surprise) and the pressure is mounting.

Dithering Dave is going to crash and burn at United. At first I wished him luck. But now knowing how he stringed us out and the final straw of the gigantic middle finger offer for Baines of 11 mil he can seriously fuck off and I hope he fails miserably. The way he treated an 11 year loyal employer is unconscionable.

Ross Edwards
098 Posted 02/08/2013 at 14:16:08
Maybe Moyes should apologise in person.
Dave Lynch
099 Posted 02/08/2013 at 14:09:50

Don't you think that this stinks of UTD trying to calm the waters before offering another derisory sum for the best left back in the prem ?

Oooooh sorry, according to the ginger one he's only 2nd best !

So he can fuck off and put a bid in for Cole then. I'm gonna laugh my tits off when he bombs cos that will finish him with any other decent club.

He can then join the McCarthy's, Megson's, Southgate's of the footballing world where he belongs, or the Scottish league for that matter.

Peter Barry
100 Posted 02/08/2013 at 14:13:43
I was given a real shafting by the Moyeophiles on TW when I posted exactly this scenario when the news first broke about the Dire Deceitful Disrespectful Jocks and Man Utd's collaboration on SAF's resignation and Moyes installation.

It gives me great pleasure to tell Moyes Boys – See, told you so.

Ross Edwards
101 Posted 02/08/2013 at 14:18:20
Hear Hear Dave.
Stuart Gray
103 Posted 02/08/2013 at 14:04:21
It was so obvious by how sheepish he looked and how he expected a bad reception on his last game. It's because he knew the truth. If the crowd had, well who knows.
Kev Johnson
104 Posted 02/08/2013 at 14:17:17
MK - yeah, that's what The Mirror said. So what? They haven't backed it up in any way. You wouldn't automatically believe what a newspaper says in other circumstances, so why do it now?

The "Moyes lovers" thing is a cheap shot. I am not and never have been in that camp. It's a matter of wanting to get to the truth of the matter, that's all. So, objectively, where is the proof that it was all set up months before the announcement?

As I've already said (above), my gut feeling is that something DID go on, but that's all it is, a gut feeling. Whatever happened to "innocent until proven guilty"?

Dave Lynch
105 Posted 02/08/2013 at 14:17:48
Tony @ 093.

I can't help it I've battled hard with my feelings, it's just the way I feel. Anyway we will still finish above them come the end of the season.

Rest assured though, normal feelings of hatred and venom followed by Tourettes style outbursts of rage against Satan's own will be commenced as soon as the final whistle goes.

Jamie Crowley
109 Posted 02/08/2013 at 14:24:45
Mark Tanton 079-

The Capitulation at Anfield. The one where the fuckin idiot gave up the game before kickoff and made 6 or so changes...

I was never the same after that game - I wanted him to get hit by a bus.

Shane Corcoran
110 Posted 02/08/2013 at 14:25:00
Michael, agree with Kev, cheap shot.

And to all those salivating at being "right" about this all along, I will be disappointed to say the very least if this is true but it's pretty sad when TW start posting about a story put out by The Mirror as if it's 100% true.

Michael Kenrick
115 Posted 02/08/2013 at 14:31:47
Let's say it just amuses me what you pick and chose to believe.

It seems a very odd thing for The Mirror to insert into this story if it wasn't true.

Or perhaps there is no letter of apology and they made up the whole thing to revive the Baines deal?

Just saying.

Jon Ferguson
116 Posted 02/08/2013 at 14:24:29
I liked Moyes, he brought us out of the despair of the 90's (FA cup win apart). I think he should have gone 3 seasons ago, but he didn't. If I found out Moyes was tapped up prior to the Wigan match I'd be anoyed, otherwise, screw it. He's gone, it was best for all involved. I'm looking forward to seeing a Martinez Everton side emerge over the next few seasons.

Letter or not, Baines should not be sold. Great defender who also made the most chances in Europe last season. Irreplaceable!

Kev Johnson
123 Posted 02/08/2013 at 14:36:19
I see no mystery, Michael. It would appear that Everton have received a letter of apology from Manchester United. The Mirror are unlikely to make that up, although you never know.

The most rational guess as to what it contains is an apology for announcing Moyes' appointment before the end of the season, while we still had an outside chance of qualifying for Europe. This clearly caused a problem for us.

What happened next is another matter entirely. BK mishandled it horribly. He should have put DM on gardening leave and made it clear to him that if he did anything on behalf of Man U while he was under contract with us then he was in breach of that contract and would be sued. Instead of which, well - we all know what happened....

As for the Baines angle, that is PLAINLY a newspaper invention. We don't want to sell him to Man Utd because he is our best player and we love him to bits, not because of any feud with Moyes new club.

Kevin Tully
124 Posted 02/08/2013 at 14:36:21
To ANYONE who believed this crock of shit from the start, including the part when Moyes, said he received 'that' call from SAF, call me for investment advice, here is the address ;

I promise to double any donations (I mean investments) within 48 hours.

I am fully accredited with the FSA, EFC, and IMWT.

Tony J Williams
133 Posted 02/08/2013 at 14:54:28
Michael pick and chose what?

The Mirror doesn't have any quote from Moyes at all, it just states "by his own admission", unless it is in the apology letter I am more likely to believe a television interview in which he confirmed when he was offered the job than some hack filling column inches.

Enough with the childish Moyes Lovers title aswell, quiet childish.

Chris Leyland
134 Posted 02/08/2013 at 14:53:13
Another day another Moyes story on ToffeeWeb with another load of comments from people who longed for the day he left us. Given that you hated him being our manager so much and couldn't wait to see the back of him, a lot of you seem to continue to obsess about his every move and utterance. I've moved on and can't give a fuck what he does or doesn't do or how he left us and on what precise day he first met Man U. Roll on the new season when we can focus on Everton and our performances on the pitch rather than this obsessive focus on out former manager.
Ross Edwards
137 Posted 02/08/2013 at 15:02:58
Why are you talking about him then Chris?
Robin Cannon
138 Posted 02/08/2013 at 14:45:53
Starting to feel like it's the previous MOB who can't let go. Seems there's a desperate need for them to interpret any report to "prove" themselves right.

Moyes wasn't shit. Moyes wasn't the messiah. He was...amazing though it might be...somewhere in between (almost like there are nuances beyond absolutism). He did a very good job to start, stagnated and was undermined by a conservative-leaning pragmatism.

And now he's gone. So, while the Man Utd story itself is of some interest (though it hasn't been picked up by any other major media outlet) in regard to potential impact on transfer policy, that's about it.

Ciarán McGlone
140 Posted 02/08/2013 at 14:55:44

He admitted it in a press interview after Ferguson had blown his cover by stating that he'd made the decision to leave at Christmas...

I can't find the link...but I will

Matt Traynor
141 Posted 02/08/2013 at 15:04:20
Ste #059 "I thought with Moyes being out of contract this summer, he was free to negotiate elsewhere from Jan 1st this year?"

Since when have managers been subject to the Bosman ruling which applies to players?

Phil Bellis
142 Posted 02/08/2013 at 15:04:15
Kev ...

"Moyes - by his own admission - was approached by United months before the official announcement of his appointment£

If the Mirror hacks are lying, Moyes will surely issue a writ for libel...won't he?

Kev Johnson
143 Posted 02/08/2013 at 15:07:34
I know Ferguson decided to leave around Xmas, Ciaran, but it doesn't follow that DM was offered the job soon after. If you can find something to back that bit up then you will have added to my store of knowledge, because I've never come across it.
Matt Traynor
150 Posted 02/08/2013 at 15:10:16
Michael #115, for the past 10-15 years, the art of media manipulation when it comes to "unsettling" transfer targets has been perfected by the likes of Man U. (Both in terms of their targets, and in moving players on). The advent of the Premier League and its subsequent development into overseas markets, together with the development of social media, has seen a 24/7 (sorry!) desire for info across the globe (many of the newspapers own websites have a substantial percentage of overseas readers).

All clubs do it to some degree. Everton seem particularly "poor" at it (or reactive rather than proactive if you like) but Man U are streets ahead of the rest (in this country - see Real in Spain, Milan in Italy for similar).

This particular "story" appeared on the Mirror website 24 hours ago - the day before publication in the printed copy. I read it yesterday but didn't think it would make copy - much to my surprise it was a back page opener today.

Matt Traynor
151 Posted 02/08/2013 at 15:18:56
Kevin #143, this won't satiate you but I heard (only recently) that it was a done deal at Xmas. The source was apparently on the sauce, but is the father of a player who is currently somewhat unsettled by the developments (allegedly), and in fact has been since Xmas... way before being told by the Motivator that he was gonna be 2nd fiddle.
Robin Cannon
153 Posted 02/08/2013 at 15:18:12
@Matt (141) - "Since when have managers been subject to the Bosman ruling which applies to players?"

There's no need for managers to be subject to the Bosman ruling. The Bosman ruling only exists to address an unfair limitation on free labor movement that clubs had placed on players. That limitation never existed on managers who, like any other employee in any business, are allowed to move jobs outside of their contract without penalty.

Matt Muzi
157 Posted 02/08/2013 at 15:13:42
No matter how it happened, it happened and Moyes went, we all knew there was something underhand about the entire thing, but if it wasn't to them, I think Moyes would of seen out his contract and gone somewhere else.

Remember this time last year when Moyes started being asked about signing a new contract suddenly, no straight answer and he was mooted in the press as stating that he would like 'one day' to manage in the Bundesligue.

I personally think Moyes was looking at this point at moving on. None of us are happy about the fact we got no compensation. But although at first I wasn't overwhelmed by the appointment of RM I am now really looking forward to next season.

At the end of the day we need to keep hold of Baines and certainly not let him go for anything under 25-30 million, when you consider they're mooting £85+ mill for Bale and 40-50 million for Suarez.

Matt Traynor
158 Posted 02/08/2013 at 15:22:51
Robin #153, I understand that, I was pointing out that I thought Ste was conflating two issues. Depending on whether you think the approach was made directly to DM 6 months or 2 months prior to the end of his contract with EFC, Man U did not follow protocol, and Everton would have grounds to complain. But they won't.
John Gee
162 Posted 02/08/2013 at 15:08:37
I agree that Kenwright should have grown some balls and put DM on gardening leave but what sticks in my throat the most is the send off he got. A standing ovation for a guy who fucked off the instant Man Utd gave him the nod. We're supposed to be their competitors and yet his actions are just another marker post on our down hill trajectory.

Of course this deal was done months before it was announced. Anyone who thinks Man Utd dealt with the blow of Fergie leaving and assessed their shortlist then drew up a contract, sounded out the replacement, entered detailed discussions with agents and lawyers and then announced it to the media all within a few days is a fucking moron.

I bet his contract has more clauses than santa's family Xmas party. One of them being that he won't get paid up when he gets sacked (and SAF takes back over after recovering from the operation).

Hope he lands flat on his face.

Danny Jones
168 Posted 02/08/2013 at 15:18:12
This is all extrapolation based on unrelated hearsay. I think we all assumed that Moyes was tapped up and wrapped up well in advance of it hitting the back pages. Some of us were more grumpy about it than others but we can assume the same thing happened with Martinez. That’s the way it works. You don’t have to like it but you won’t change it.

I don’t see any Baines transfer being related. If he goes on the cheap it will be because he asks to go. If he doesn’t ask then Man U will have to make a bid acceptable to the club. It’ll have nothing to do with them apologising for something they’re not sorry about.

Ged Simpson
172 Posted 02/08/2013 at 15:49:21
Notice how we are less bothered now we have new manager.

Seems good to me but I am quite shallow and can't be arsed searching for truth and morals in the financial quagmire that is the Premier League. To do so is to join King Canute paddling on the beach.

Gavin McGarvey
178 Posted 02/08/2013 at 15:33:43
I more or less supported Moyes (until the QF result against Wigan that is), but at the same time was convinced he was going when he decided not to sign a new contract.

Personally I'm not bothered about this news. As a few posters have mentioned, you'd have to be pretty naive to believe that Man U didn't have this sorted at least a couple of months in advance, or come to think of it that Moyes was even their first choice.

When I posted an OP saying he was bound to go, a few weeks before it was announced, none of the MOB would believe he was going (who would take him etc...), and all the MIB responded with careful what you wish for type comments.

I can't really go in for all this shock and disgust at the way he's treated this club etc... I'm not even sure what supporters expected from him (Hari-Kari wouldn't please some), or exactly what he's done wrong. If I understand it correctly people think he should have announced he was leaving us as soon as he was approached by Man U, and then resigned. Can't think of anyone who's ever done anything like that.

The obvious downside to the way Moyes left was the fact we didn't get any compensation for him. To be fair, that's a bit embarrassing as it makes us look (reveals us as?) a bit of a shambles. In hindsight we should have got him to sign a contract, though I'm not sure how Bill would have gone about it (badly perhaps?).

I was against Martinez being appointed but he seems to be doing ok. It's not been too bad a summer so far with what look like a couple of decent recruits. Fingers crossed for the new season and all that. Not long to go now:) COYB

Gavin McGarvey
179 Posted 02/08/2013 at 16:04:02
By the way whatever we do we shouldn't sell Baines. Can anyone really believe his sale is related to how Moyes left?
Tony McNulty
180 Posted 02/08/2013 at 15:50:37
I am happy Moyes has gone – we all needed a change.

The Manure are now weaker than they were and I believe we are, if anything, stronger.

If this story is true then it does worry me though: they might offer us Phil Neville (was he tapped up?) as compensation.

Ged Simpson
181 Posted 02/08/2013 at 16:05:16
Agree Gavin
Jim Knightley
182 Posted 02/08/2013 at 16:04:17
"Moyes - by his own admission - was approached by United months before the official announcement of his appointment" - Where was that then? I haven't seen anything, anywhere (apart from the conspiracy theorists on here) that suggests he admits that.

- Yet to see this contention contravened. Why do we have a subjective relation of events in the editorial description?

And the Mirror. For fuck sake guys. Surely I don't need to explicitly state just how untrustworthy the Mirror is? they run clearly bullshit football stories practically everyday.

It's pathetic to have to watch anti-Moyes posters celebrating over a perceived victory which has no factual basis. It's embarrasing to be honest. As is the constant references to Moyes stories on this site, which I expect will continue throughout next season after Martinez win's games, and Moyes lose thems (and vice-versa).

There is no evidence Moyes knew about the job offer months before. Only suggestion. This apology likely relates to the breaking of the news prior to the end of the season.

Ben Dyke
183 Posted 02/08/2013 at 15:59:36
Moyes has admitted publicly that he was told on May 2nd and it was announced May 9th. I cant find any reference to any other dates. The reason Everton are annoyed is because it should all have happened after the season ended. The fact it happened before disrupted our season end.

I don't think there is a smoking gun to be found here. Of course Moyes would have thought about possibilities and even maybe had hints about ManU succession ideas beforehand because I cant imagine SAF only contemplating the future as soon as he decided he would leave, he would have done so well before.

Is it a pisser that Man U are a bigger club than us? Yes
is it a pisser that Moyes left us? No

Do we care about the timing? Only if we consider that it affected Moyes ability to manage Everton.
Did it affect Everton? We'll never really know but I think it did a bit subconsciously.

But if you consider the alternative of Moyes announces at Christmas he's leaving and the affect on our season then, I think what happened is not too bad.

Plus who cares anymore!!! Lets get the season started, batter ManU and Liverpool, watch ManU suffer under the massive change and believe in a new era for us on the pitch with more attacking football.

Phil Bellis
185 Posted 02/08/2013 at 16:13:14
Jim, like I said, then

Moyes will be quids in when he sues the lying bastards; unless...

Gavin McGarvey
187 Posted 02/08/2013 at 16:12:09
Jim 182

Do you really think we'll all be talking about Moyes once the season's started? I hope not. I imagine we'll all forget about him soon enough once the action gets going, and whichever way it goes surely what's happening to Everton on the pitch is going to be more interesting than whatever happens to Man U on the pitch. This is all a sign of football withdrawal symptoms (IMO). Will you bother looking at whatever the Man U internet site is called if Everton are top of the league/in a desperate struggle at the bottom of the table? I can't imagine there'll be too many who will.

Chris Ashton
188 Posted 02/08/2013 at 16:14:17
Thinking out loud here, and will be shot down accordingly when I press sed.

Does anybody not think of the notion that it was an honour that our manager was chosen for that job? Now im not arsed about it personally and I think the whole thing was a set up months in advance. I ask that question as a general world of football view, afyer 26 years they chose our manager to replace the grat one.

Before you all start I don't think this personally!

Dan Parker
190 Posted 02/08/2013 at 16:22:09
Moyes who? After staying up late to watch the Juve game and the performance put in, especially by John Stones, it's all about this season, the future and Roberto Martinez. The futures bright, the futures Toffee!

And keep Baines!

John Crawley
191 Posted 02/08/2013 at 16:12:09
Kev Johnson et al. It's not a court of law! We don't have to prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. To my knowledge to date we have had two papers (The Guardian and The Independent) stating that Ferguson decided to go in November and told his backroom staff that Moyes was the person they wanted. Now we have this story from The Mirror that Man United have actually written and apologised about the way they went about this and that Moyes was approached months ago. If all of these stories and sources (The Independent quoted a unnamed source at Man United) are incorrect then I am sure that Mr Moyes will be suing them for libel as he did with Wayne Rooney. I am not sure what it will take for some people to actually believe this!
Ross Edwards
192 Posted 02/08/2013 at 16:24:12
If it wasn't Fergie's decision we'll still be lumped with him now Chris so Sir Alex is the one to thank.
Peter Truin
198 Posted 02/08/2013 at 16:34:41
Craig walker 057

How old are you???

United did us a favour,no apologies needed

Ross Edwards
201 Posted 02/08/2013 at 16:43:51
Craig Walker, after his first 5 games he'll have entirely grey hair!
Matt Doyle
202 Posted 02/08/2013 at 16:21:53
Irrespective of when the Moyes deal was done Man U owed an apology to Everton purely for announcing the appointment before our season's business was mathematically settled.
What was the motivation for their timing? So Fergie got his grand tearful send off in front of the home crowd I suspect. They could have done that in the close season.
I don't remember Everton showing them that kind of arrogance in the 80s when we were top dogs and they were perennial failures.
Cheeky gets.
Tony J Williams
203 Posted 02/08/2013 at 16:41:55
You are absolutely correct John, ultimately people will believe what they want to believe....however there has yet to be produced any shred of evidence of his "own admission"

That is the only point I have raised, pendant that I am.

Barry Rathbone
204 Posted 02/08/2013 at 15:45:56
A fit up from the previous season.

The idea ultra cautious Moyes would drift along flim flamming for 12 months without something up his sleeve is fantasy, as is the idea Kenwright wasn't in on the game.

The silence between him and Moyes during "contract - gate" was as choreographed as synchronised swimming.

Kenwright will be miffed because Utd let the cat out the bag impinging on his stage managed "Davey leaves" extravaganza - not that it mattered - the denial quotient of Moyes supporters is off the scale, the applause still rang out.

I'm with Dave Lynch, at this moment, for the first time in my life I want the RS to win a game - I've never wanted that in 55 years.

As shitty a set up as ever there was this Fergie-Moyes-Utd set up.

Paul Andrews
205 Posted 02/08/2013 at 16:44:55
Phil Bellis 185,

If the story is a lie it is easily disproved.Let Moyes sue and call Utd CEO as a witness.
After all the Moyesiah has previous for legal action.
Remember the case he brought against Rooney.

One dirty phoney lying c**t is Mr Moyes.
I posted on numerous occasions how hard it was to believe ontelligent adults could be taken in.

"I was in Manchester shopping with the wife when SIr Alex phoned and invited me to his home.I thought here we go he is going to tell me he wants one of my players,instead he informed me I was the new Utd manager"


Ross Edwards
207 Posted 02/08/2013 at 16:52:32
I just can't wait for the Champions League. Moyes will be so exposed.
Shane Corcoran
208 Posted 02/08/2013 at 16:53:17
FFS Paul and others. Nobody is saying that the story is definitely untrue, just that The Mirror saying it doesn't make it fucking true.

If it comes out well and good, you can all go ape shit with excitement about how your were right.

Christopher Kelly
209 Posted 02/08/2013 at 16:52:07
then why the hell haven't we gotten any compensation???


Christopher Kelly
211 Posted 02/08/2013 at 16:55:38
If Moyes were really one of us he would've done a "sign-and-trade" as they do in America wherin he sign's and then can be traded for compensation.

Instead, he plays dumb, lies and then leaves.

11 years and this is his lasting legacy. What a crock of shit that man is. Keeping all of those owners secrets regarding financing over the years and then just buggering off. Can't wait to see the Pellegrini's and the Klopp's of this world run that fucking team ragged into the ground

Paul Andrews
212 Posted 02/08/2013 at 16:58:37
All go ape shit?
Haven't heard that one since my upper sixth days
Matt Butlin
213 Posted 02/08/2013 at 17:02:39
For me, the football season is all about entertainment. Would it be entertaining if Moyes and Man Utd came a cropper..? Hell yes.
Shane Corcoran
214 Posted 02/08/2013 at 17:05:22
Paul, that obviously ruins my point then.
Andrew Bone
215 Posted 02/08/2013 at 17:00:54
I wouldnt sell baines or fellaini to man utd out of principle and would be tempted to make it known in response to the apology. Also if clubs can be done for tapping up players before their contract ends does it apply for managers, or was Moyes free to speak to clubs due to the length left on his contract.
Ross Edwards
216 Posted 02/08/2013 at 17:05:33
I want to see him attempt Moyesy mind games. Mourinho would rip him to shreds on the mind games front.
Paul Andrews
219 Posted 02/08/2013 at 17:07:32

What point?
I didn't see one.

Shane Corcoran
220 Posted 02/08/2013 at 17:09:33
Now there's a surprise. Try reading my post.
Paul Andrews
221 Posted 02/08/2013 at 17:14:34
I have tried.Twice.
I can see a statement of the bleeding obvious, but no point.
Peter Truin
222 Posted 02/08/2013 at 17:13:12
Ape amusing........
Shane Corcoran
223 Posted 02/08/2013 at 17:17:34
Ok, you call Moyes a lying c**t or whatever names it was you used above.

My point (the obvious bit) is that this whole story is based on something a rag printed and nothing more.

If The Mirror printed that Everton were looking to sign Paul Andrews it mightn't make the rumours page. But because this story feeds the lust to hammer Moyes, it gets top billing in TW and you come on saying what you said.

Now if my point is so obvious then why would you act like you act?

Paul Mackie
225 Posted 02/08/2013 at 17:14:59
You'd think Moyes had raped your dog and then set your favourite alehouse on fire the way some of you post.

The only person I'm pissed off at in this whole sorry saga is Kenwright for not getting any kind of compensation out of Man U when it's painfully obvious that this was all decided by Xmas.

Brian Cleveland
226 Posted 02/08/2013 at 17:15:20
So, if they say sorry, we'll let them have Baines for 12m... that's OK then... dickheads
Ross Edwards
227 Posted 02/08/2013 at 17:25:23
I guarentee that within a week of this supposed apology, they will make another bid for Baines and Fellaini. It's inevitable.
Paul Andrews
228 Posted 02/08/2013 at 17:26:40
If the Mirror reported Everton were looking to sign Paul Andrews I would most definitely go ape shit
Wayne Smyth
229 Posted 02/08/2013 at 17:24:32
Maybe they're apologising because they've just realised he's a dour, bottler who doesn't have the charisma to attract top players, or win anything, and they want to give him back?


Michael Brooks
230 Posted 02/08/2013 at 17:31:31
You lot make me laugh with your Moyes hatred, you would think he got the team relegated! On no that was the tactical genies Martinez!
Now take a leap of imagination what if Moyes wins the league, not beyond the realms of believability and Everton under Martinez finish in the bottom half in the next two years will any of you admit that Moyes did well at Everton?
Craig Walker
231 Posted 02/08/2013 at 17:21:42
Peter Truin 198.

I'm 39 Peter. It was meant as a joke based on the chant that we've been singing for years.

I'm not sorry he's gone either. Read my follow up at #070

Ross Edwards
233 Posted 02/08/2013 at 17:31:37
In that case Wayne. no need to apologise Man U, thank you Sir Alex!!!!
Peter Truin
235 Posted 02/08/2013 at 17:35:01
Craig 231

I know mate,it was tongue in cheek

And I've read all the posts on this subject,I can't believe people even care how he went,he's gone and I couldn't be happier,I wanted him sacked after losing the last 6 games of the 2003-04 season,fuck him!!!

Ross Edwards
236 Posted 02/08/2013 at 17:37:13
Martinez didn't get Everton relegated Michael, considering the season hasn't started yet it's sort of impossible really, no?
Peter Truin
238 Posted 02/08/2013 at 17:37:53
Wayne's smyth 229

That's the best post of the lot......brilliant and probably not far from the truth

Ross Edwards
239 Posted 02/08/2013 at 17:38:25
I must admit that he should have been sacked after that Bucharest debacle.
Michael Brooks
241 Posted 02/08/2013 at 17:39:51
No Ross, I was talking about Moyes with Everton and Martinez with Wigan, I am sorry I didn’t make that clear enough for you.
Peter Truin
242 Posted 02/08/2013 at 17:41:01

Bucharest was one in a long line of debacles,we'd be here all night if we listed them

Paul Andrews
243 Posted 02/08/2013 at 17:41:05
Who's Paul Andrews?

He is our new centre forward according to the Mirror

Peter Truin
248 Posted 02/08/2013 at 17:47:01

Just looked them up,you're right they are shit apes them

Ross Edwards
251 Posted 02/08/2013 at 17:54:55
Oh, Ok Michael, lets not remember, not everyone is perfect in management. Joe Royle was relegated with Oldham wasn't he, won us an FA Cup. Fergie was sacked by East Stirling, Cloughie got relegated. Let's give Robbie a chance before the "told you so" arguments begin.
Kev Johnson
254 Posted 02/08/2013 at 17:38:18
JC'191 - "Kev Johnson et al. It's not a court of law! We don't have to prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt." No, John, it's not a court of law. But you know what, it's about being fair and, beyond that, truthful. Yes, truthful! The very thing DM is being widely accused of lacking.

I want to know what actually happened, what the facts are. I don't want to leap to a conclusion based on hearsay and conjecture. I have no axe to grind here. I was bloody sick of Moyes and I think Martinez is Mr Wonderful. if it turns out that the DM and RM appointments were both in the pipeline for months then it will confirm my hunch; if it doesn't then my hunch was wrong - sometimes they are, unfortunately. It doesn't bother me much either way, but I hold to the principle that you shouldn't judge people on tittle-tattle.

On a lighter note, I think "going apeshit" probably refers to the tendency of said primate to fling their excrement at people in zoos - presumably to indicate their frustration at being cooped up. Also, for a bit of a laugh.

Peter Truin
255 Posted 02/08/2013 at 18:05:23
Even he greatest manager of all time Harry Redknapp has got a couple of relegations on his cv
Barry Rathbone
256 Posted 02/08/2013 at 18:06:10
Paul Mackie 225, how can you blame Kenwright when old straight as a die, miracle worker Moyes wouldn't sign a contract?

Ross Edwards
257 Posted 02/08/2013 at 18:08:37
Just don't call him a wheeler-dealer Peter!

Peter Truin
258 Posted 02/08/2013 at 18:08:00
Cheer kev for the clarity,I feel enlightened

On the ape shit thing that it.................

Liam Reilly
259 Posted 02/08/2013 at 18:01:25
Didn't United Report Madrid for tapping up Ronaldo? If there is an element of truth in this, then why can't Everton stand up for themselves and report these fuckers to the FA?

Peter Truin
260 Posted 02/08/2013 at 18:11:12

hes so dodgy he had to tell them what he was "I'm a football manager"

Peter Truin
261 Posted 02/08/2013 at 18:15:20

Why bother? Exactly what would it achieve?

Ross Edwards
262 Posted 02/08/2013 at 18:17:01
I know Peter, I'd never have guessed otherwise.
John Daley
265 Posted 02/08/2013 at 18:29:50
"There is no evidence Moyes knew about the job offer months before. Only suggestion"

In early June, Mourinho stated that he was told about the imminent retirement months before the story broke and got it straight from the horses mouth.

"I knew that he was retiring many months before. I am so happy with his trust because it was big news for the world - I can imagine that just a very small circle around him knew that, and it was a big responsibility for me to know that," he said.
"Why do I know that? Because we are friends. I am his friend to know that he is going to retire, he is also my friend to know that the club I want to coach in England is Chelsea.
"Of course I told him I want to come to Chelsea. I would turn down every job in the world-not just the United job-for Chelsea."

It would be very strange indeed if the guy old whiskey nose supposedly handpicked as his successor was not amongst the 'very small circle' he chose to confide in.

Michael Brooks
267 Posted 02/08/2013 at 18:29:06
Ross, I am giving Martinez a chance, nobody will be happier if he is a success than me. I am just a lot more realistic than most plus unlike most on there I can see the good as well as the bad that Moyes did at Everton.
Ross Edwards
268 Posted 02/08/2013 at 18:35:12
That's fair enough Michael, it's going to be an exciting season ahead!
Peter Truin
270 Posted 02/08/2013 at 18:32:59

It would also appear that ginger bollocks was not first choice,certainly every united fan I've spoke to are astounded that Moyes and not mourinho was appointed

Ross Edwards
271 Posted 02/08/2013 at 18:39:31
If Fergie was not the man who made the decision, Moyes would not have got that job. I said that on this site and was slaughtered for it, I think I am right.

If anyone else had made that decision, Klopp or Mourinho would be the manager now not Moyes.

Keith Young
272 Posted 02/08/2013 at 18:33:35
Brent 074 Football isn't a " normal" business. So normal commercial behaviour doesn't work with this passionate support. Loyal supporters were the reason why Moyes was paid +£4m for managing a loss making business for 11 years Also majority shareholders want a huge capital gain for a business they have not invested in by selling the supporters passion. OK ?
Shane Corcoran
274 Posted 02/08/2013 at 18:43:37
I hadn't used the term "Ape Shit" in quite a while but I'm glad it added even more humour to an already funny thread.
Thread, now there's a funny one.
Eugene Ruane
275 Posted 02/08/2013 at 17:08:27
Meh, it's football today - I trust nothing about it and nobody involved in it.

The whole of football cheats (itself?) and lies all the time.

My only real interest in this would be if there was any possibility of us getting any cash/compo for...any...erm...'reason'.

If there was, I'd love us to take them to court - get a very 'clever' (ie: shifty, not to be trusted) sexy Rexy-style lawyer to give it the full Clarence Darrow.

Lawyer: "Ladies and gentlemen, to all but the gullible and staggeringly naive, this is clear cut. The facts? During the run up to Christmas 2012, the Manager of Everton Football Club, Mr David Moyes, a man I might point out known for his 'honesty and religious beliefs' (tuts, raises eyes sarcastically) had informed one and all he would address the signing of a new contract with the club in January. However this, for reasons that were never properly explained, never happened. Now given that Mr Moyes was at the time the 12th best-payed manager in Europe, we can assume there was no problem with his wages. So....what? What EXACTLY happened to stop him signing? (pauses and looks into the eyes of all jury members). I put it to you it was the following. Manchester United, a team used to long-term planning, had in early 2012, targeted Mr Moyes as their next manager. However, because they were aware of his upcoming contract negotiations with Everton, he was tipped the wink and..

Judge (waking up): "I'm sorry he was WHAT?"

Lawyer; "I do apologise M'Lud, I lapsed into the vernacular, I mean he was secretly informed"

Judge: "Oh..right...proceed"

Lawyer: "Thank you your I was saying, he was secretly informed of Manchester Utd's interest, which in effect prevented him signing a new contract at Everton. HAD he signed the Everton contract, as expected, his later move to the billionaires of Manchester Utd would have cost the Old Trafford club 15 million pounds in compensation to (begins to peel onion) strapped-for-cash Everton (grabs lapels and turns to jury). Is that fair? IS - THAT - FAIR?"

Teary-eyed jury members begin to sing "Oh it's a grand old team..."

Judge awards us £50m and Rooney, headlines in the Mirror "David 50 - Goliath 0"

(I know, I know, but I'm just getting all my fantasies out of the way now, before the season starts and reality kicks in).

Seriously though, if there's no cash in it, then it's just us booing Moyes (again) and right now, I'd rather focus on Martinez and what's ahead.

Or to put it another way, it's not coz he's got red hair that I don't care, it's coz he's not our manager.

Colin Glassar
276 Posted 02/08/2013 at 18:51:57
OFM should also apologise for going behind our back when he was "summoned" to castle fergie by his lord and master.
Ray Roche
277 Posted 02/08/2013 at 18:49:33
I e-mailed Michael Kenrick weeks ago after being told from a trustworthy source that the Moyes deal was known about at Wigan last December/January. It was also suggested that Martinez was in the frame to take over here. MK didn't respond but it would seem that my source was spot on.
Paul Andrews
278 Posted 02/08/2013 at 18:55:49
Our David,the paragon of virtue telling pork pies?
Get tae fuck
Paul Gladwell
279 Posted 02/08/2013 at 18:55:37
Why Colin, I mean he only thought Fergie wanted to sign one of our players, I mean that is what happens when someone wants our players, they summon our manager to their mansion.
John Daley
280 Posted 02/08/2013 at 19:00:34
"You lot make me laugh with your Moyes hatred, you would think he got the team relegated! On no that was the tactical genies Martinez".

Wow. If Martinez can call on 'tactical genies' then he's an even better appointment than I first thought. All Moyes had was Steve Round looking like a comotose forty year old version of Fred from Scooby Doo. Magic Roberto, on the other hand, only has to rub his lamp whilst whistling the theme tune from 'I dream of Jeanie' and suddenly a fully formed back room staff burst forth in a puff of smoke, sporting harem-esque belly dancing attire and bearing blackboards, pro-zone stats, possession percentages, and a brand spanking new set of (unsnapped) subbuteo men to show the spaniard exactly how this shit is going to get done.

Richard Dodd
283 Posted 02/08/2013 at 19:03:44
......and Everton were hardly guiltless on their similar approach for Roberto.` Pie eaters I work with at Leigh were telling me soon after Christmas that Moyes was off to OT and Martinez had been lined up to succeed him. And I posted thus.

This is football wer`e talking about - there are no ethics,standards,accepted behaviours etc.etc. It`s the law of the jungle-that`s why we all love it!

Tony Draper
284 Posted 02/08/2013 at 18:10:02
I'm enjoying Roberto's approach to his job, IF I can still say that in 2-3 years time then I'll be extremely happy indeed.

dm's OWN stated ambition when he was joining EVERTON was to go on and manage mufc.....this came to light recently, during "the transition period"

I did NOT applaud him after our last home game because he had pledged allegiance to mufc (they are our opponents remember) before his EVERTON contract had expired, a contract which he had repeatedly declined to renew despite continual offers (on improved terms) from EVERTON

MY allegiance is to EVERTON
So was dm's, in my genuine opinion he departed shabbily, but I have thought this for about 18 months

I DO hope that he fails at mufc, and my main reason is that if he does then it improves Roberto's potential to succeed

dm CHOSE to leave
EVERTON approached Wigan ethically

Roberto agreed to manage EVERTON
THAT for me is what truly matters, and so far I'm bloody glad that he did !

Eugene Ruane
285 Posted 02/08/2013 at 19:00:51
Paul Andrews (278) - "Our David, the paragon of virtue telling pork pies?"

If he has, he'll be paying the price in sleepless nights.

Large black ghoul-type thing..

"Yer cannae hide fae me Davey, yer know whit yev done is wrang. 'Tell a lie and shame the devil', that's whit ye wuz taught, and here ye are the noo wi' yer pants on fire. Well it''ll be mair than yer pants wheer yer'll end up son. Aye that's right, the pits of hell, tae burn for eternet..."

Moyes wakes up sweating bullets: "Oh gentle Jesus - nae mair please!!"

Morag: (tutting): "Jings David, that's 5 nights in a row, yer cannae keep this up, noo wring oot yer pyjamas and go back tae sleep"

Moyes: "Aye yer right hen, as usual"

But in his heart of hearts, he knows tomorrow night, same time, same channel, 'it'......will be back.

Matt Traynor
287 Posted 02/08/2013 at 18:54:29
Eugene #275 in his parody actually touches the nub of the issue. Football today is a business - a lucrative one for those involved. Consequently there is self-interest from the Chairmen/owners at the top, executives at the clubs, down to players and their agents.

So Moyes knew late last year, probably. Did Kenwright? It must've been obvious when DM basically went into the last 6 months of his contract with no extension signed? Did DM lead BK up the path? Did BK tap up Martinez before?

But all this hand-wringing from people telling us to move on - give it up will you? Like it or not DM and his brand of integrity was a big part of our history, and people will continue to talk about it for as long as they're allowed to and it generates debate.

Sure, some people will feel disappointed that it seems their hero was a bit duplicitous in the end - but that's the nature of the game (and I honestly don't think he did anything wrong in the context of the modern game). Reminds me of the end of the Destination Kirkby episode - some who had backed a loser tried to justify their stance, some put their hands up and admitted they were wrong, but more still tried to shut down the debate, consigning it to "history". Very poor.

Paul Gladwell
288 Posted 02/08/2013 at 19:17:51
I don't hate him John, I just hated the messiah bollocks and how he seemed to believe his own hype too and then there is the bullshit guard of honour, would you have done that in 87 if Kendall pissed off to Man Utd instead of Bilbao?
Peter Thistle
290 Posted 02/08/2013 at 19:21:52
Shove it Moyes you liar
Richard Dodd
291 Posted 02/08/2013 at 19:28:01
OK, I`ll say it. He was my Moyesiah - now I don`t believe in God anymore !
Lewis Barclay
292 Posted 02/08/2013 at 19:26:56
Who cares. This should be on a Man Utd website, old boss, old news.

Pre season, so far, has been (pre-season, I know) good enough to increase optimism on TW by about 200%, that in itself is enough to make me think that a bit of arrogance wouldn't go a miss. On that basis:

Do one Man Utd, we've moved on and we'll be happy to show you home and away.

Andrew Cutler
293 Posted 02/08/2013 at 19:39:18
Move On!! Everything has panned out in a very favourable fashion for us.
Sam Hoare
294 Posted 02/08/2013 at 19:41:26
Dear Lord, the detractors are desperate to be proved right. Latching onto a piece of gossip in the mirror as gospel truth!

I couldn't really care less anymore, maybe he was a good man with integrity or maybe he was the devil incarnate...either way he's history and we are playing Real Madrid this weekend which is much more exciting.

John Crawley
295 Posted 02/08/2013 at 19:25:45
Kev 254 - to be fair its a bit more than tittle tattle from the Mirror. I'd look at it this way, in criminal court it's proof beyond a reasonable doubt, in civil court it's the balance of probabilities. Have we got enough evidence for a criminal court - of course not; because the parties concerned will not make such a public admission. On the balance of probabilities we have:-

Moyes not negotiating his contract in January as promised months earlier.
Ferguson admitting publicly that he decided to go before Christmas
Mourinho admitting publicly that Ferguson told him at Christmas
A Man United club source (unnamed) quoted in The Independent as saying Ferguson's back room staff knew before Christmas that he was going and that it was Moyes they wanted to replace him.

Given the above its hard to see how this wasn't done months before and I'd say on the balance of probabilities - Moyes is guilty.

Steven Kendrew
296 Posted 02/08/2013 at 19:47:30
20 million for arse.
The player market has moved on very quickly judging by the Bale "deal". Baines has now got to be worth 35-40 million pounds (assuming a decent length of contract).
Kevin Tully
297 Posted 02/08/2013 at 19:51:27
Steven - The offer from Utd was £10m. I think the fact he hasn't signed a new contract means he's probably off. Gutted.
Derek Williams
298 Posted 02/08/2013 at 19:52:25
Who cares, move on. We're not going to get any compo which would be the only reason to kick up a fuss.

All in the garden looks pretty rosy at the minute so it's onwards and upwards chaps.

John Daley
301 Posted 02/08/2013 at 19:49:09
"I don't hate him John, I just hated the messiah bollocks".

Paul, the "Moyes hatred" line wasn't actually mine. It was a quote from an earlier post (#230) that I was responding to.

Kunal Desai
302 Posted 02/08/2013 at 19:34:04
Taking our players like Rooney and maybe one or two that follow in the future to OT is one thing but the Mancs just taking Moyes of our hands is Everton's deal of the century!
Paul Gladwell
304 Posted 02/08/2013 at 20:01:57
My apologies John, never read it correctly, it's been a long day.
Kev Johnson
305 Posted 02/08/2013 at 19:50:19
I wouldn't know about civil law, John (295). I'm a high court judge.

All of which reminds me of this classic courtroom scene...

‘Let the jury consider their verdict,’ the King said, for about the twentieth time that day.

‘No, no!’ said the Queen. ‘Sentence first — verdict afterwards.’

‘Stuff and nonsense!’ said Alice loudly. ‘The idea of having the sentence first!’

‘Hold your tongue!’ said the Queen, turning purple.

‘I won’t!’ said Alice.

‘Off with her head!’ the Queen shouted at the top of her voice.

This thread is more like verdict first, evidence later! I rest my case.

Brent Stephens
306 Posted 02/08/2013 at 20:05:11
Keith #272. "Brent 074 Football isn't a " normal" business. So normal commercial behaviour doesn't work with this passionate support. Loyal supporters were the reason why Moyes was paid +£4m for managing a loss making business for 11 years Also majority shareholders want a huge capital gain for a business they have not invested in by selling the supporters passion. OK ?".

Not ok for me, Keith, with respect. You're talking about the passionate support (customers - yuk!). I was talking about organisations and their employees. "Passionate supporters" changes nothing about the way employees might behave. I'm afraid that in this case normal commercial behaviour is exactly what we saw. Feeling outraged as a passionate supporter (and I'm one, as well) changes nothing. We might expect more commitment to the organisation - but my point was it's naive to expect that.

Peter Truin
307 Posted 02/08/2013 at 20:15:29
But kev

Some of us don't give a fuck

Some of us don't care how the fuck the unit was gone just as long as he was gone

I applaud Manchester United,like the people of Eindhoven applauded the allies during world war 2,we have been liberated............rejoice!!!!!' rejoice!!!!!

Brent Stephens
309 Posted 02/08/2013 at 20:18:20
Kev, I don't think you deserve to be on the bench.
Kev Johnson
310 Posted 02/08/2013 at 20:22:31
I know, Brent. I warrant a starting position.

(As Basil Brush used to say) "Boom-boom!"

Brent Stephens
311 Posted 02/08/2013 at 20:27:34
My thoughts exactly. Supreme Court and first XI, or nothing.
Brent Stephens
315 Posted 02/08/2013 at 20:33:29
Ah, "warrant"!
Richard Dodd
316 Posted 02/08/2013 at 19:35:22
Makes me laugh that Moyes is now `the man we love to hate` because he dared to get a better job when most people on here wanted him to feck off anyway!
Paul Ferry
318 Posted 02/08/2013 at 20:39:16
Wrong again Richard Dodd - 316 - check the relevant poll, most people on here thought that Moyes was doing good and didn't want him to go.

What is it with you and your one-dimensional and polarizing views of this site and its hearty band of merry followers?

Tony Marsh
319 Posted 02/08/2013 at 20:31:14
After watching the pre-season games under Roberto and picking up on the vibe that the fans are feeding off right now, who gives a fuck about who said what to whom? Martinez has shown more class, more fight, more skill, more knowledge in 2 months than Moyes showed us in 11 years.

The Juventus game the other night would've been a 3-0 drubbing under Moyes... and before it, Divy Dave would've been telling us all what a team Juve were and how we were up against it and how many class players they had... blah blah. Roberto's Blues went out, played football, and beat the Italians.

That's what we have now under Martinez belief and the Mancs are going to get the shit we had to endure – just a more expensive version of it..

Noel Early
320 Posted 02/08/2013 at 20:42:01
This should hardly surprise people; DM was always up Fergie's you know what. It galled me that Moyes got to stay on for the final weeks of the season when I suspected he knew a long time ago he was going to be SAF's replacement at Manchester United.

He then has the bare-faced cheek to turn around and bid for our player (if you would even label £12m a bid) whilst still being employed by Everton. Blue Bill must stand his ground on this one and refuse to sell anybody to United when Moyes is still in charge.

Kenwright, for all his faults, was totally supportive of Moyes and paid him handsomely when he was at Goodison. Not many Chairmen would be as loyal to a manager that hadn't won a trophy for 11 years.

David Donnellan
321 Posted 02/08/2013 at 20:36:05
Im not bothered about him now, Roberto has got me daring to believe, I know the season hasn't started yet, but liking his fresh approach & his optimism & the early signs are good from the team.
What disappoints me about Moyes leaving, is that he chose to manage Man Utd over Everton, as a child of the 80s when we were a better team than them, even after all these years, I can't get used to anyone choosing any other team over Everton, how times have changed.
Raymond Fox
322 Posted 02/08/2013 at 20:45:32
Tell Man Utd to stuff it.

Welcome to the world of football.
Money rules ok!

Leighton hasn't signed the new & improved contract yet, could be he's angling for a even better contract, or maybe he's made his mind up to go to Man Utd.

Unfortunately there's that much money sloshing about that loyalty & commitment to a team has largely gone.

Peter Fearon
325 Posted 02/08/2013 at 21:10:37
Tony Draper
335 Posted 02/08/2013 at 21:42:07
321 David Donnellan, YEP !
Me too, count ME in !

He has chosen his path........

Paul Smith
336 Posted 02/08/2013 at 21:48:03
It's nothing but Man Utd thinking they can do what they like, Everton are inferior and the club gets no respect from Man Utd. A complaint should be made to the FA or at the very least, Man Utd told to shove their Baines bids and think twice before contacting Everton over anyone. Be tough or be bullied. And Wayne McNee... well said lad.
John Crawley
337 Posted 02/08/2013 at 21:40:26
Kev 305 - Just out of curiosity I emailed David Maddocks about this and to be fair he replied. In the paper he wrote: "Moyes - by his own admission - was approached by United months before the official announcement of his appointment." I asked him where this came from. He told me that it came from a source at Everton Football Club who said that Moyes had admitted it when asked for an explanation about keeping the matter secret.

In addition to this he also said that Moyes had himself told journalists on Merseyside that he had been approached but was sworn to secrecy, although in this instance Moyes didn't give an accurate timescale to the journalists.

Paul Smith
343 Posted 02/08/2013 at 21:54:23
Kev Johnson, your not gonna see any evidence, when did this ever happen in football. Sometimes the gut feeling or 6th sense is enough to tell you its true, in fact these instincts are all a fan can rely on, the truth is hidden and we all know it, you'd have to assume the Everton board would be angry at the premature annoucement of Moyes for a start and that was the begining of some bad vibes.
Andy Morden
344 Posted 02/08/2013 at 22:03:57
My idle speculation on the Kenwright / Club silence and lack of compensation issue:

If Moyes was being lined up for some time by Man Utd, is it quite plausible that some of the players we got from Utd on the cheap may have been part of the grand plan? For one, it would give Ferguson insights into how he handled and what he did with some of his lesser lights (but arguably better quality than what he had). For two, when Kenwright mentioned the word "compensation" Utd could quite cheerfully say "Darren Gibson for £500k and Saha for nothing". Suspiciously cheap deals, I tell thee.

Just my forthpenneth - I love a good conspiracy theory with no evidence to substantiate it as much as the next man!

James Stewart
347 Posted 02/08/2013 at 22:07:02
Apology not accepted.

Kenshites Sky Sports performance now can be considered the panto we all knew it was.

Paul Andrews
349 Posted 02/08/2013 at 22:13:58
Two liars together.
Moyes and Kenwright made for each other
Bob Parrington
351 Posted 02/08/2013 at 22:11:06
Months?????? Years more like!!! All brewing for when SAF decided it was time to hand over the reigns.

Something fishy about this story coming out now?!

Wayne Smyth
353 Posted 02/08/2013 at 22:20:57
Explains why Rooney asked to leave. He probably got a whiff of what was about to go down.
Kev Johnson
357 Posted 02/08/2013 at 22:07:09
John - I sincerely applaud your investigative journalism into investigative journalism! Good work that man.

Just to repeat myself, my intuition was that Martinez had been lined up for the Everton job by the time we drew them in the cup, which was early March, so that would have to mean there was a vacancy at Goodison by that time. I'm not sure whether the Mirror writer's talk of "a source at EFC" and mention of local reporters in the know but sworn to secrecy is enough to turn my intuition into The Truth. But it makes it a wee bit more solid, put it that way.

I do find it hard to believe that Echo journos could keep completely schtum about such a big story, but it's possible. Fantastically unlikely, but possible.

Anyway, I've said my piece. The Thing is dead, long live The King!

Michael Kenrick
358 Posted 02/08/2013 at 22:27:18
Kudos, Mr Crawley (#337): smart thinking!

But the fixed mindset may still find it just too hard to accept....

Al Reddish
360 Posted 02/08/2013 at 22:29:09
Who cares? He's gone. We move on.
John Crawley
361 Posted 02/08/2013 at 22:32:37
Kev - from the way I read his reply the journalists on Merseyside were told after it all came out. In other words he told them that he had been approached but had been sworn to secrecy which is why he didn't tell them at the time.
Tony J Williams
365 Posted 02/08/2013 at 22:40:26
Ah right a "source", indisputable now.
John Crawley
366 Posted 02/08/2013 at 22:43:16
Tony, I don't really know what else you expect, a source plus confirmation from Moyes to journalists on Merseyside that he had an approach but was sworn to secrecy. He's not going to be making all of this stuff up!

He didn't have to reply to me and if he's out of order then Moyes would be getting in touch and threatening him with libel. Seems pretty convincing to me but you carry on wearing your blinkers.

Ross Edwards
367 Posted 02/08/2013 at 22:46:36
Come on Tony, do you really think an established journo would make something up and risk a court case? There must be something in it if this journalist responded to John, if it was a load of crap, John wouldn't have got a response would he?
Michael Kenrick
368 Posted 02/08/2013 at 22:49:37
Told ya.

What colour is the sky for you today, Tony?

Ross Edwards
369 Posted 02/08/2013 at 22:51:11
Very gloomy it seems Michael...
John Crawley
372 Posted 02/08/2013 at 22:52:30
Michael I know, head in sand and all that!
Tony J Williams
373 Posted 02/08/2013 at 22:50:44
No shock that you jump on any semblance of perceived evidence either. It's an unnamed "source" and the word of one fella suggesting all the journos knew and because they are all paragons of virtue they keep schtum because Moyes asked them to. Yeah, sounds perfectly legitimate to me that.

To be fair, it makes no difference either way, he's gone so let's all get behind Martinez and forget about the new Manc manager.

Tony J Williams
374 Posted 02/08/2013 at 22:55:44
How is it gloomy Ross? I am in a good mood due to the last win. I don't get upset about something that has nothing to do with Everton anymore.
Ross Edwards
375 Posted 02/08/2013 at 22:59:45
It looks like it's about to rain any minute Tony. It was sunny before but it's gone a bit dark and gloomy now.
John Crawley
377 Posted 02/08/2013 at 22:56:32
Tony, you haven't read what I wrote properly. Just to clarify: Moyes told the journalists on Merseyside after the story broke, ie, he told them that there had been an approach from Man United but Moyes was sworn to secrecy about it and that was why he didn't mention it to them off the record. So your comments are wrong.

Yes, its an unnamed source but he isn't going to tell me his source is he! Why on earth would David Maddocks make all of this up and why would he take the time to respond to me unless this story is correct?

Tony J Williams
380 Posted 02/08/2013 at 23:08:50
You had best find an umbrella then Ross.
Tony J Williams
381 Posted 02/08/2013 at 23:10:10
I have no idea John, how is it that it has taken until now to release the story then? Months after the season has ended.
Ross Edwards
382 Posted 02/08/2013 at 23:12:44
When Skies Are Grey Tony....
John Crawley
384 Posted 02/08/2013 at 23:12:28
Tony there were reports in The Guardian and The Independent at the time of Moyes's appointment which basically stated that Moyes was approached months ago.

With regard to this surfacing now with David Maddocks, then I would suggest that he has been following the Leighton Baines story and has come up with another angle on it. His comments that Everton were considering making a formal complaint to the Premier League suggest that this has been bubbling away under the surface for some time.

Patrick Murphy
385 Posted 02/08/2013 at 23:18:30
Maybe The Mirror aren't content for United to ruin Everton's run-in to last season and now see it as way to disrupt the new season. But it is more likely that United want to smooth the way for a bid for Baines/Fellaini.

Tony J Williams
386 Posted 02/08/2013 at 23:18:44
If it gets us some cash then I say go for it, but it will take more than an unnamed source and one journos word to side with them.

They are always Royal Blue for me Ross

Shane Corcoran
387 Posted 02/08/2013 at 23:19:58
Michael, pot and kettle come to mind when it comes to fixed mindsets. Give it a rest.
Ross Edwards
388 Posted 02/08/2013 at 23:21:36
Absolutely Tony.

John Crawley
389 Posted 02/08/2013 at 23:21:03
Patrick the way I read it is that they have apologised rather than have Everton make a formal complaint to the Premier League over it. They obviously want Baines but it sounds like Kenwright isn't going to play ball with them, anyway let's hope that he really is that pissed off with them. I personally would tell them where they can shove their apology!
Matt Traynor
390 Posted 02/08/2013 at 23:22:30
Patrick #385, the Mirror has always been up the arse of United. Even when they were truly gash in the early 80s, and we started to win a few pots playing somewhat pleasing football, it was only a grudging acknowledgement. Admittedly even though the RS were sweeping all before them, the Mirror was always about United, never critical.
Robbie Muldoon
391 Posted 02/08/2013 at 23:22:06
This isn't news, but if it's news to you then you're a little naive my friend.

It doesn't matter how they got him, the fact that they even wanted him is the unbelievable aspect of this. Mark my words this will go down as one of the biggest fuck ups in Premier League history. They're already baying for him and they're not out of pre-season!

We have got a great man and manager in Roberto Martinez and good times are not too far away. COYB!

Joe Green
393 Posted 02/08/2013 at 23:19:58
If Man Utd did formally apologise, then must leave way open for compensation to us?
Patrick Murphy
394 Posted 02/08/2013 at 23:27:21
I say make a formal complaint to the PL and have United docked some points, which might give us a better chance of finishing above them!
John Crawley
395 Posted 02/08/2013 at 23:25:54
If we take it that United approached Moyes in December/January then we would only be looking at say six months salary, if he had been appointed then. The fact that he wasn't appointed until May would mean we wouldn't be entitled to much.

It's more a point of principle; it's not the way that things should be done and is in breach of Premier League rules. I would have made an actual formal complaint rather than accept their apology.

John Crawley
397 Posted 02/08/2013 at 23:30:50
Patrick - good shout, be brilliant if they could get docked some points!
John Keating
398 Posted 02/08/2013 at 23:22:41
It's not a case of who cares and it's the end of the matter!

Many of us posted at the time Man Utd announced his appointment that he was a two-faced lying bastard! That he only just found out etc, etc, etc.

He should have been turfed out the Club the day Man Utd announced his appointment. There were many on her making apologies and believing his every utterance was gospel! It's now proved he was a two-faced back-stabbing bastard who deserves everything he gets — and believe me, when he fails miserably at Old Trafford, it'll all be proved.

The man is a disgrace. All the shite he spouted when our manager is proved to be just that — shite!! No worse or no better than the rest of them.

Moyesiha — my arse!!!

John Crawley
401 Posted 02/08/2013 at 23:36:28
Tony 381 — just reading the David Maddocks piece again and its clear that the reason that the story has just broken now is because of Man United's written apology to Everton over the matter. It seems clear that Everton were considering making a formal complaint to the Premier League and Man United have sent a written apology in order to avoid this.
Colin Glassar
404 Posted 02/08/2013 at 23:56:30
John Keating, spot on mate. The more we learn about this sordid little affaire the more I believe he should be declared Persona Non Grata at GP. If BK was aware of all of this then he should also resign if he has an iota of self-respect left.
Simon Harris
407 Posted 02/08/2013 at 23:34:53
I'm NOT saying the story isn't true, but David Maddock! the RS journo for the Mirror. Which may as well rename itself The Kop nowadays.

Of all the columnists and papers to break the news...what are blue journos like Prenno or O'Keefe thinking...

Julie Naybour
409 Posted 03/08/2013 at 00:23:36
Not at all surprised. Exactly what I suspected.

However, much as I don't like it, the blame does lie 100 per cent on the shoulders of Man United. Do you really honestly expect DM after being approached and warned not to say anything to have come out publicly and said what was going on? That would have been tantamount to him not getting it.

Equally, BK was probably trying to maintain as much equilibrium as possible. Let's face it, they were both pushed into a corner. This was foul play by Man Utd. Total disregard for other teams, other people, other fans... Disgraceful behaviour. Full stop.

There were, however, other things that I found disappointing and distasteful in DM's actions, eg, I was far more offended by DM saying he was going on to something better and Phil Neville describing how it was always where DM had wanted to be – like we were just some stepping stone.

But anyway, as others have said, we move on and the future looks bright. and I get the feeling Martinez really does want to be at the helm of our precious club, so fingers crossed for him and for us.

Alan Smith
414 Posted 03/08/2013 at 00:43:02
It's about time the clubs outside of the Sky Five got together and made a deal not sell any players to them no matter how much they were offered. And generally make life as difficult as possible for them, until they agree to share all their Champions League money and agree to each side having the same number of matches televised.

Man Utd and the others think they can do what they want; it's time to stand up against their bully-boy tactics.

Sky, MotD, The Mirror will only be happy once everyone in the country supports either Man Utd or the RS. They know, if they put one of them on telly, 10 million glory hunters will tune in or buy their papers.

Derek Thomas
421 Posted 03/08/2013 at 01:50:22
United sorry they poached Moyes.... some might say, not half as sorry as they might be.
Ben Dyke
424 Posted 03/08/2013 at 01:59:46
Let's add something else to the pot for the conspiracy theorists amongst us. Moyes threw the Wigan game as part of the plot to make Martinez look good to us when it was all stitched up.
Jim Knightley
425 Posted 03/08/2013 at 02:12:45
Gavin...I don't imagine Moyes will continue to be discussed after the season starts, I know it. First time Moyes loses and Martinez wins on the same day...there will be comments. If United lose at Liverpool, there will be comments. If Martinez wins at any of the big four, if we win a game by several clear goals, there will be comments about dour Dave.

There is a strange level of bitterness here. I suppose because Moyes has gone to United? Even though Moyes did at least as much for us (I'd argue more), than we did for him. It's partly understandable, and partly incredibly frustrating, and it goes deeper than off season boredom.

On the plus side, we've only 2 weeks until it all begins. I can't wait to see what Mirallas and Coleman conjure up this season personally.

Rob Griffin
429 Posted 03/08/2013 at 01:44:54
I think this "apology" is great. Just another sign that things aren't going so well over at the Red Devil camp so far this summer. I think any true Blue knew the details that led to DM's appointment were a bit shady at best, but they're getting what they deserve. They're the rich kids who are finally hearing the word "NO" for the first time in a while, and it stings them a bit. No Alcantara, no Fabregas, and almost certainly no Bale.

The Rooney fiasco is far from over, which I'm sure is adding unwanted dissent from the world's best midfielders at wanting to wear a red shirt. And let's be honest, would you walk away from Barca or Madrid to work for a defensive minded first year manager with no silverware? Hell, for as much as CR7 probably wants to come back he's probably not going to until January at the earliest, if he does at all, depending how the first half of the season goes for both United and Madrid.

Hopefully what will happen if DM doesn't even get Modric because he'll HAVE to go back to White Hart Lane in the Bale deal, United will approach Everton about an offer for Felli and they'll jack up the price a bit. If Felli does go, it's cash for a last minute signing or bank for January needs, plus the satisfaction of maybe having DM beg a little!
Eric Myles
430 Posted 03/08/2013 at 02:39:07
At last we agree on something Richard #316.

I'm just glad he's gone have as much interest in United's manager as I have in Accrington Stanley's which is twice a year when the teams I support play them.

Danny Kewley
434 Posted 03/08/2013 at 02:41:59
The jury is out as regards DM and probably agreeing do we really have to reach a majority? The guy is a twat!

Fuck it all! Let's give RM a chance to play some good footy!!!!!! We can beat the Mancs and all the rest!


Steve Brown
437 Posted 03/08/2013 at 03:46:52
David Moyes was a good manager for Everton whose time was up – no-one should be allowed to manage a club for 11 years without winning something.

These rumours just give those who disliked him a chance to criticise and abuse them and those who liked him to circle the wagons and defend him. Given he is now in one of the most high-profile jobs in football, this will go on for ever if we keep posting on every story the tabloids publish on him... even if it is related in some way to us.

Peter Barry
451 Posted 03/08/2013 at 04:07:24
It's hilarious, now that the cat is really out of the bag, seeing the old-time Moyesistas on here trying desperately to cover the foolish gullible naivety they showed in trusting the lying Scottish Windbags. That's 'Windbags' plural, of course, because it was a Jockanese stitch up of Everton engineered between SAF, Dire Davey, a complicit Man Utd board, and a 'naive' trusting BK!!!
Chad Schofield
472 Posted 03/08/2013 at 08:12:53
Glad he's gone, but the parading about at OT and bidding for our players while under contract showed him in a different light. He's under pressure because he's placed some silly bids and acted a bit like Mark Hughes when he was at City.

I hope we don't sell him anyone. I hope Van Persie gets seriously injured pulling tyres up hills, Rooney goes abroad and they're left playing Carrick upfront because Hernandez and Wellbeck are too inexperienced snd need time to learn how to defend and run the channels for any scrsps.

Bitter? No. But why do I care what the Man Utd manager does?! We gave a positive youbg manager who's moved early in the transfer market, is giving players of all ages encouragement and has me excited about the forthcoming season.

Moyes enjoy your time being the highlight of the evening at Ferguson's Le Dîner de Cons. Neville msde discontented murmurings while here about the Moysiah's negative football - and he and the press will happily turn the whole place Iinto the theatre of nightmares for you. Thanks for the "apology" though, but set your sights elsewhere.

Anyway, that's me done talking about Manure and theirs. Let's see what we can do against Real Madrid!

Eric Myles
475 Posted 03/08/2013 at 08:54:20
Was he still under contract with us thought Paul?

Meaning he had the right to make contractually binding sales and purchases on our behalf and speak on behalf of the Club?

I doubt it.

George McKane
476 Posted 03/08/2013 at 08:59:41
I reiterate what I said on TW a few months ago.

Thank you Man.Utd and thank you SAF for forcing our indecisive Management to make changes.

Without their Machevellian approach maybe TDO ( The Dour One) would still be here.
I also wrote that I would not buy a Season Ticket if TDO stayed -- after watching Everton since 1959 - - I am off to Goodison this wonderful bright, sunny, cheerful Blue Skyed morning to pick up my lovely Season Ticket and am "excited" - - now theres a word - - about the coming Season.

A comment - - you do not always need proof of wrongdoing - sometimes its hidden -- but just possibly you can use your own intelligence, nouse, brains and heart to know that something isn't right - - me I rarely trust anyone in any form of authority - - I trust me and my feelings and those around me that I have learnt to trust.

So once again "Thanks" MU and SAF.

Interestingly I was at a funeral yesterday - - my older sisters friend - - and met a few Blues from TDH and where I sit in the ground - -we all said "didn't know you knew..." - - this is what makes us Blues - - a real family club - - let Moyes and his cronyism go - - as Ma Joad said "everyone's always talking about The People - - The People this and The People that - - they know nothin' - - We are The People".

Up The Blues - - and God Bless Everyone of Us said Tiny Tim (Cahil)

Alan Newton
492 Posted 03/08/2013 at 10:11:49
1) If it's true, who would really be surprised? It tells us something many of us suspected

2) Who really gives a rats arse? Many - as indicated by these threads - wanted rid of Moyes. I for one was often pilloried for being unsympathetic towards the man and wishing for someone else to take us forward.

Let's be honest, United have done us a huge favour. All we should be annoyed about is that they pulled their usual trick of tapping someone up and have avoided paying us compensation, which shows very little respect towards us. Since when have Utd been respectful towards anyone? I think we were kidding ourselves if we expected any kind of respect. The Baines offer was an example of that. Completely derisory from a club with deep pockets

However, Everton's reported (true or not) fury towards Utd should not have been the reason to block a Baines move. The reason to block a Baines move is SIMPLY that we DON'T WANT TO SELL HIM. It concerns me greatly that Everton's apparent fury may have been the ONLY reason to stop a move. What happened to our ambition and desire to build a team around great players?

Also, we shouldn't get too high and mighty about the possibility Utd tapped Moyes up, because if this were true and it happened so long ago, we probably did exactly the same in terms of Martinez, and so with the domino effect nature of modern day football, Wigan could be equally as furious with Everton.

If anyone watched the Juventus game, they will have noted Martinez has already started to have an impact on the way we play, and has ensured all the players are comfortable on the ball and happy to play a more attractive style. Ok, it was only one game, but we were impressive and I wouldn't have expected that approach under Moyes. Good riddance and onwards and upwards. Bring on Real....


Joe Bibb
497 Posted 03/08/2013 at 10:21:59
It is 11 years too late – they should have poached him in 2002. But now, after 11 years of dross, we have a manager who plays youngsters, attacks and even smiles when a camera is put in front of him.
When Moyes said "I was summoned to Alex Ferguson's House" Kenwright should have sacked him on that day. The only place an Everton manager should get summoned to is Bill Kenwright's Boardroom.

Get your money on Moyes to be the first manager sacked.

Rob Williamson
513 Posted 03/08/2013 at 11:37:20
Following on from Craig at #57, how about:
Davey Moyes, Davey Moyes, Davey, Davey Moyes,
Now he's a Manc
Not worth a wank
Davey, Davey Moyes.

I'll get me coat!

Brian Waring
517 Posted 03/08/2013 at 11:54:30
After Moyes was offered the Man U job, he came out and said he was planning to sign a new contract with us and he was already planning for pre-season, if that's the case, why didn't he sign a new contract ages ago?

Also, when he got the call from Ferguson, Moyes said he was out shopping, in another interview, he said he was in the garden with his missus, hmmmmm..................

Peter Cummings
519 Posted 03/08/2013 at 12:05:58
Bainesy is still under contract so no way should an 'improved' offer by Moyes be entertained now.
Richard Dodd
521 Posted 03/08/2013 at 12:13:22
I have,this weekend,made a vow - witnessed by `The Freshy Five` ( Phil got off the leish last night ! ) that the name of our former manager will neither cross my lips or sully my keystrokes EVER AGAIN !

Now if I can do it so can you all. `The King is dead - long live Emperor Roberto !`

Phil Bellis
522 Posted 03/08/2013 at 12:12:58
Thread stiill going!

Paul Andrews (205) My point exactly - there will be no libel suit; we really need a sarcasm font on here

And Doddy, to an Evertonian there is no "better job"

Stu Smith
526 Posted 03/08/2013 at 12:30:41
No this is such a shock! Seriously I think every Evertonian with an IQ knows this deal was done months before it was announced.

Moyes refuses to sign a new deal making excuses to why. Neville says he wont be staying at Everton and Rooney hands in a transfer request.
You don't need to be Sherlock Holmes.

Colin Glassar
527 Posted 03/08/2013 at 12:23:40
Alan Smith #414, I've been saying this for a while, the other 15 teams in the Prem make up for about 85% of support for Prem teams. If all our supporters boycotted the media e.g. Press and Sky until they had a more balanced coverage and, a transfer embargo against the gang of 4-5, they would all shit themselves and their monopoly would soon be over.

Despite not being a fan of Wenger, I do agree with his outrage at the way these so-called top clubs throw their weight around when they want a player. It's also very satisfying to see even bigger bullies I.e. Munich, Madrid, Barca, Milan etc... make them shake in their boots when they poach their players with the infamous line "it's only natural for a player of his ability to want to play for a club like this" . As for OFM, despite being at a "big" club, very few top players seem keen on moving to the theatre of dreams (soon to be snores).

Eugene Ruane
528 Posted 03/08/2013 at 12:32:16
- 230 posts on the Manchester Utd Manager (231 now) and only 9 on our under 15s Milk Cup triumph (nb: not for one second telling anyone what or where to post, but would suggest a word of praise/congratulations from everyone who has posted here would probably be very warmly received by the young Everton players involved).
Richard Dodd
543 Posted 03/08/2013 at 13:04:03
Phil @922: But the Man Utd manager NEVER WAS an Evertonian. He was just a manager doing a good job. We, who are Evertonians, expect nothing less from whomsoever occupies the post for the time being.

Now ffs, can we move on?

Peter Truin
549 Posted 03/08/2013 at 13:26:55
Come on, Richard, it's been an interesting discussion, especially with all the Davey Moyes songs. If we were the other lot, we'd be printing the lyrics off and passing them around outside the kop...
Ross Kerry
550 Posted 03/08/2013 at 13:39:05
Do we really expect Man Utd to treat us with any respect? They wanted our manager and got him so we took someone else's; it didn’t affect anything at the end of the season and Everton could have dismissed him but chose not to. It’s totally irrelevant other than the relationship with Man Utd which, as a supporter, is of no concern to me at all.

We’ve already had plenty of compensation, Moyes has gone and we’ve got a better manager. No wonder they are sorry.

Richard Dodd
561 Posted 03/08/2013 at 14:06:32
Peter, I cannot see the fascination about something many of at least suspected around Christmas. So many calling `foul` wanted him to feck off anyway!

He's gone, brave new world etc,etc; let`s worry about who's starting on the 17th. Bollocks to them who choose to move on!

Peter Truin
565 Posted 03/08/2013 at 14:21:28
I agree Richard

I wanted him gone; I'm happy. Like I've said, no apologies required; all is great as far as I'm concerned. Like you say, it's a brave new world.

My only problem with Moyes was he should have walked when he took the Man Utd job, but that's a side issue.

Paul Doyle
566 Posted 03/08/2013 at 14:21:56
Moyes tapped up by Man Utd! Of course not, the first he new about it was when he was "Oot shoppin with Ma" and dressed in his new Flemings "super tuff ", later to be told that day by Taggart himself that he was the chosen one. Proving that shit-bag Moyes allowed this to happen while giving two fingers to all of us. The phoney bastard.
Tony Draper
567 Posted 03/08/2013 at 12:27:11
Just to clarify for those still clinging to the notion that DM was an honourable man:

1) His contract didn't suddenly run out, he declined to resign and gave numerous "allusions" as to why... "CL next season before I commit" being one of many. Indeed, the signs were that things were on hold to concentrate upon team matters and close season would see that attended to (this was the tale he was telling 12 months and more ago). This situation continued until the end of May this year.....

2) He is/was a personal friend of Sir Alex and by his own frequent admission in social contact with him (let's see just how long THAT lasts), so therefore KNEW about SAF's health concerns 18 months ago AND therefore must have known that SAF had decided that he would retire should his health deteriorate further

3) Jose Mourinho (also a friend) has stated openly that he knew about SAF's health AND his intention to retire at least 6 months before the fact, so clearly DM must ALSO have known this

4) DM had a new deal sat unsigned upon his desk for almost 2 years

5) Man City winning the PL almost certainly put a spanner in SAF's plan to retire a year ago, had he won the PL then surely he would have departed successfully then (DM's contract was still unsigned).

6) BK has stated that at the time DM was recruited that his ambition was to manage MUFC, not to return Everton once again into "The School of Science", but to "go on to greater things".

7) MUFC announced that they were approaching DM, and within just 4 days he had signed a contract to become their manager when his Everton contract (3 weeks remaining) expired... Four Days!

8) Whilst still Everton manager, DM was involved in transfer negotiations for MUFC.

9) Despite having funds at hand during the January transfer window, DM's only move was a last minute signing of John Stones (not really the acquisition of a player to boost Everton's hopes of European football next season).

10) Prior to departing, DM gave BK assurances that he would not be back to sign Everton players.

During the majority of DM's tenure, I believed that, though he was not a dynamic firebrand manager, he had a plan and would work at it doggedly. However, he changed my opinion, beginning with the continual procrastination on signing a new contract, then the bottling of the derby at Anfield prior to the bottling of the semi-final when he threw away a long-awaited opportunity to claim "bragging rights" as a minimum.

I now rate DM alongside Barmby: He's a fuckin Judas!

Peter Truin
569 Posted 03/08/2013 at 14:38:51

Some good points; clearly he has hurt certain fans over his actions and I understand the bitter taste he had left and yet he was given a hero's send off at his last home game.

Personally, I never liked him enough to feel any pain with regard to his departure, I only feel trepidation with Roberto's appointment but a few wins will sort that out.

Onwards and upwards!

Phil Bellis
573 Posted 03/08/2013 at 14:49:03
Richard 543

My point exactly - QED
I will support Roberto whole-heartedly in the hope he never settles for stability

Tony Draper
575 Posted 03/08/2013 at 14:48:04
Peter, I agree. Roberto is such a breath of fresh air that I really want him to succeed just for his sake alone. (Okay, for long suffering Evertonians too). I'm really enjoying the new era under Roberto; he's put enjoyment back into following Everton, not just commitment and unswerving loyalty.

ALL managers are ultimately measured by results, at least we already know that Roberto doesn't have an allergy to silver...

One point that I omitted regarding Everton's appointment of Roberto: Does anyone think for one second that "the notoriously media shy Dave Whelan" would have remained absolutely silent if Everton had been tapping up Roberto from around Xmas time.... really?

Peter Truin
583 Posted 03/08/2013 at 15:27:37

Allergy to silverware, I like that.....

Wait for the conspiracy theory regarding Roberto: I can see it now.....

Bill told Dave we'd throw the FA Cup Quarterfinal as compensation over the tapping up of his manager — as long as he keeps his gob shut.

Colin Glassar
584 Posted 03/08/2013 at 15:27:40
Talking about the media Tony, have you noticed that Championship manager, and media darling, Harry Redknapp is still getting about ten times more coverage than Roberto? Even if 'Arry takes them down to League 2, the media will follow him while our tour of the USA is being totally ignored.
Tony Draper
588 Posted 03/08/2013 at 15:39:59
Peter, YES I can see the "con-theologists" trying to graft wings on to that line of flawed logic, fortunately the 1/4 final was already way too late for that and also, DW is NOT the kind of person to keep his gob shut to keep a secret, like our own BK he has a more frequently used orifice for expressing opinion....

Colin, 'Orrible 'Arry will ALWAYS attract media attention, he's a bloody crook, we know it, they know it and keeping his mouth running like an 'ackney carriage meter means they'll get the story they really want.....the one with the "brahn h'envelopes", wink wink

EVERTON's tour of USA attracting no media attention ?
.........those who know.........

Phil Walling
591 Posted 03/08/2013 at 15:45:14
Colin,that`s probably because he`s having the indignity of having to send a team out a fortnight before us` big boys` go into battle.

Talking of battles,Moyes is now equipped` to take a tank to his gunfights`.
I just wonder if he`s really qualified to drive it ?

Colin Glassar
594 Posted 03/08/2013 at 16:05:41
OFM's tank has only one gear............ Reverse!!!
Brin Williams
598 Posted 03/08/2013 at 16:13:00
Hi lads, saw some mention of IQ in a recent post, mine must be a bit low at the mo as I cannot for the life of me fathom out what 'OFM' means.

Anyone help?

Brian Waring
600 Posted 03/08/2013 at 16:22:52
Brin, thinks it stands for 'our former manager'
James Carlisle
601 Posted 03/08/2013 at 16:19:05
As we all suspected. Moyes and United are both utterly classless. Probably think we'll give them Baines now they've apologised. Maybe they should try offering real money instead of a measly £12M. How about the £35M they were offering for that overrated pile of shite Fabregas?

Anyway they've got what they deserve. A dour pre-season.

Brin Williams
615 Posted 03/08/2013 at 16:55:55
Brian, Thanks I thought it meant a lot worse - couldn't quite work it out.
All these abbrev are driving me mad. MOB SAF DM BK TWAT FMP IMWT IMWT IMHO TTFN etc!!
Brian Waring
617 Posted 03/08/2013 at 16:59:34
Know what you mean Brin, when my young lad sends me a text I don't know what the fuck he is saying.
Brin Williams
622 Posted 03/08/2013 at 16:55:55
Stick to good old Anglo Saxon I say - Fuck em all!!
Peter Truin
643 Posted 03/08/2013 at 18:05:06
Worst one was for the most vile human being to ever (dis)grace english football,wait for it.......................................


Dennis Stevens
654 Posted 03/08/2013 at 18:15:56
Acronyms, Brin - not abbreviations.
Brin Williams
790 Posted 03/08/2013 at 23:49:23
Thanks Dennis, I know you mean well you CF!

No agronym intended!!

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