10-man Everton forced to settle for opening-day draw

By Michael Kenrick 11/08/2018 322comments  |  Jump to last
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Richarlison provided full value as the exciting Brazilian marked his debut with both goals in a tight first game
Wolverhampton Wanderers 2 - 2 Everton

Everton's 2018-19 Premier League campaign began with a hard-fought draw in front of the BT cameras in the late-afternoon kick-off at Molineux against newly-promoted Wolves. Richarlison got a brce but Jagielka was harsly dismished for winning the ball fairly in a lunging tackle.

Only new signing Richarlison made his competitive debut for Everton but none of the Deadline Day acquisitions were even on the bench, as Silva had foretold.

Jason Pickford returned to keep goal for the first time since his heroics for England at the World Cup in Russia, with Stekelenburg on the bench.

Yerry Mina, Andre Gomes and Bernard missed out completely while Digne was named on the bench, with Beni Baningime out injured, but Holgate was declared fit enough to sit on the bench despite his recent injury problems.

Everton kicked off amidst a vibrant and fiery atmosphere, winning an early corner that was defended away. There was then some good pressure from the home side, Neves putting a deep cross onto the roof of the Everton net as something of an ominous warning. Keane was forced into an erratic clearance at the back and Costa won Wolves their first corner, cleared.

Sigurdsson did well to win a corner that was delivered straight to Patricio. Wolves were trying forward balls but overhitting them as the teams felt each other out. Some nice work down the left was spoilt when Baines ventured offside.

Coleman was gifted a chance to shoot but scuffed it straight at Patricio. An utterly stupid late dive in by Richarlison after he felt he was denied a free-kick earned the stupidest of yellow cards for the Brazilian after just 14 minutes.

But he would make immediate amends for his rash stupidity, after getting a free-kick and finishing adroitly from close range off a fine ball delivered in by Baines to give Everton a very important early lead.

Wolves maintained their possession and pressing game in an effort to get back at Everton but the Blues defence was looking reasonably well organized and set up a decent wall to frustrate the home side until disaster struck shortly before the break.

Jagielka turned into the high press with a poor touch a few yards outside his area and was forced into a lunging tackle that brought Diogo Jota down and referee Craig Pawson immediately brandished a red card.

Forced into reshuffling his back line, Silva swapped Sigurdsson for Holgate but Everton's lead was wiped out when Ruben Neves swept the ball home off Pickford's fingertips from the resulting free kick.

The game took a while to warm back up in the second half, with the two sides feeling each other out following the change in the numerical match-up but chances at both ends opened up just before the hour mark.

First, Tosun elected to go it alone with a shot when Walcott was arguably better placed and Patricio palmed his effort behind. Then at the other end, Jimenez was played in behind the Blues' back line but Pickford made an excellent blocking save.

Great work by Gueye, followed by a pass out to Coleman, allowed the Irishman to send a cross to the back post that Richarlison helped back to Walcott but he couldn't readjust in time to get a shot on goal.

Everton stuck at it, however, and when Tosun cleberly flicked the ball to Richarlison in space just inside the box, the Brazilian strode forward and bent a shot past the 'keeper and inside the far post to restore Everton's lead.

Everton's 10 men couldn't withstand Wolves' pressure as they pushed for an equaliser, though, and after a succession of crosses was repelled by the Blues' defence, Neves took advantage of space on the home side's left and his curled cross was nodded home at the back stick by Jimenez.

Silva responded by withdrawing Tosun in favour of Oumar Niasse for the closing stages and when the Senegalese striker romped forward in a two-on-one break, ready to receive the return pass from Coleman, the fullback squandered a gilt-edged chance to win the game by making a horrible mess of the centre.

Richarlison's hopes of grabbing a winner were ended by injury with five minutes left and he was replaced by debutant Lucas Digne.

Scorers: Neves (44'), Jimenez (80'); Richarlison (17', 67')

Wolves (3-4-3): Rui Patricio; Bennett, Coady, Boly; Doherty, Moutinho (85' Gibbs-White), Neves, Jonny (76' Vinagre); Jota, Jimenez, Costa (71' Bonatini).
Subs not Used: Ruddy, Hause, Saiss, Enobakhare.

Everton (4-2-3-1): Pickford; Coleman, Jagielka [R:40'], Keane, Baines; Schneiderlin, Gueye; Walcott, Sigurdsson (43' Holgate), Richarlison [Y:14'] (86'Digne); Tosun (81' Niasse).
Subs not Used: Stekelenburg, Davies, Sandro, Calvert-Lewin.

Referee: Craig Pawson


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Michael Kenrick
1 Posted 11/08/2018 at 16:34:46
Merle Urquart
2 Posted 11/08/2018 at 16:36:49
Oh dear
Gerard Carey
3 Posted 11/08/2018 at 16:38:27
Maybe last chance for a few!?
Chris Gould
4 Posted 11/08/2018 at 16:40:08
Pretty much what I expected. Very glad Pickford is back. Subs are very uninspiring. The lineup will look so much better in a few weeks time.

Glad to see Holgate is fit enough to make the bench.

Mark Tanton
5 Posted 11/08/2018 at 16:41:24
Cannot wait until the new guys come in. Sorry, old guard, but you've completely exasperated any remains of loyalty over the crap pre-season.
Jim Bennings
6 Posted 11/08/2018 at 16:41:55
Last we see surely of the Gueye/Schneiderlin partnership, in what could only ever be described as an extreme failure.

Richard Grey
7 Posted 11/08/2018 at 16:42:47
So “Lookman is Everton’s present and future” and yet doesn’t make the bench...
Merle Urquart
8 Posted 11/08/2018 at 16:45:31
I can't help thinking that half-fit new signings would be more effective than fully-fit gobshites!
Ciarán McGlone
9 Posted 11/08/2018 at 16:49:29
Mostly the same team that was awful last season.

Not confident.

Mat Smith
10 Posted 11/08/2018 at 16:49:52
Bit odd Lookman didn’t even make the bench after what Silva said - is he injured?
Anthony Murphy
11 Posted 11/08/2018 at 16:50:08
Lookman injured or not included?
Joe McMahon
12 Posted 11/08/2018 at 16:50:13
Baines v Pace = only one winner
Denis Richardson
13 Posted 11/08/2018 at 16:53:37
Hahahahah - don't know whether to laugh or cry.

Most of our defence still Moyes signings from 9 years ago +Keane.

Gonna need a bigger sofa.

Christy Ring
14 Posted 11/08/2018 at 16:54:39
Not an inspiring lineup; I would have started Digne. I hope Richarlison can inspire us, the sooner our new boys get fit the better.

I see Jimenez upfront for Wolves, a loan signing, we were linked with him last season.

John Wignall
15 Posted 11/08/2018 at 17:04:00
Think l'll watch it from behind the couch...
Jay Wood
[BRZ]

16 Posted 11/08/2018 at 17:04:37
No surprises in that XI for me. Anyone expecting any of the TDD boys to feature was being totally unrealistic.

The team and Silva cannot be judged on this selection. It will have a completely different look within a few games.

The old guard have to demonstrate they are worthy of their place. I'm expecting 1-2 will fail the audition, but as ever, hoping for a positive result today.

Jerome Shields
17 Posted 11/08/2018 at 17:07:59
With this side, you couldn't even say we will play defensive and try to nick a goal. Depends on what Wolves are like. I would settle for a draw.

Silva and us all are hoping the competition for places will provide the incentive for a bigger effort all round. Digne on for Baines, Holgate on for Jagielka and Niasse on to confuse them later on.

Here's hoping. . .

Bill Gienapp
18 Posted 11/08/2018 at 17:14:26
The sarcasm and negativity feels a bit forced, given that we all know this bears little resemblance to what the starting XI will be next month. The only surprise for me is that Lookman’s not on the bench.
Mark Tanton
19 Posted 11/08/2018 at 17:17:33
Going to be a long month, Bill.
Mark Frere
20 Posted 11/08/2018 at 17:20:35
Bit disappointing not to see Digne starting. There's a real lack of pace about our back four. Good to see Holgate must be back to some kind of fitness as he's on the bench.
Tony Twist
21 Posted 11/08/2018 at 17:30:20
Hmmmm, the blinkers are truly on with Silva with that backline. Could be lambs to the slaughter. It's about time managers show why they are paid so much when we can see the shortfalls in that line up and he can't.

So much for a new dawn. Let's hope we can park a bus and catch them on the break. Time for some class finishing as I don't see us getting too many chances.

Ernie Baywood
22 Posted 11/08/2018 at 17:41:11
The team that should have been expected. Digne needs to earn his place, and none of the deadline Day signings were ever going to start.

Attack wise it's the shape we can expect and there's talent in there. Sig, Rich, Theo, Cenk... they can give us something.

COYB!

John Wignall
23 Posted 11/08/2018 at 17:50:56
Get in
Ernie Baywood
24 Posted 11/08/2018 at 18:14:41
Beglin is pretty convinced that was a red.

Me, not so much.

Simon Dalzell
25 Posted 11/08/2018 at 18:23:23
Never a red. Won the ball, and on the floor. Another game spoilt by an incompetent ref.
Mark Tanton
26 Posted 11/08/2018 at 18:24:47
Well it’s taken surrendering a lead, but at least Jagielka’s fucking finished.
Ernie Baywood
27 Posted 11/08/2018 at 18:25:20
We were looking reasonably comfortable until the error by Jags but you could see the same problems already. Just no way of finding our way out of that defence without playing it direct.

So often the ball gets caught up in the back 6 with seemingly no way out until it goes back to Pickford for a long ball. Gueye and Schneiderlin don't do enough to turn and play forward.

The thing is, have we addressed that? My view of the two centre backs we've bought is that they are much of the same; not ball players.

So basically we're hoping Gomes is going to be great. It's a lot to ask.

Attack wise we look alright once on the ball.

Gary Borrows
28 Posted 11/08/2018 at 18:25:57
If that's a red card I'll show my arse in Lewis window. Pawson's a prick – Jags clearly got ball first.

Coybs

Ernie Baywood
29 Posted 11/08/2018 at 18:30:15
Surprisingly all the commentators here seem to think it's a nailed on red. Doesn't look even close to one for me.

They just pointed out the free kick was taken 6 or 7 yards closer to goal, too.

Jay Wood
[BRZ]

31 Posted 11/08/2018 at 18:30:23
How a match can change on one simple thing.

We were on easy street. Wolves were snapping at our heels for all of five minutes at the start.

Thereafter, we had excellent shape and total control. Wolves were reduced to hitting hopeful balls over the top that would run through to Pickford or out of play, or simply turning backwards towards their deep-lying defence.

Richarlison alert for the goal. Wolves easily held at bay.

And then Jag lapses for a second. The red card seemed harsh. The team has to be reshuffled. The free kick should have been better defended by Pickford. And now we face a really difficult 2nd half when we were looking nailed on to record a rare away win.

Football, eh?

Bill Griffiths
32 Posted 11/08/2018 at 18:36:11
Never a red, yellow at very most.
Tony Abrahams
33 Posted 11/08/2018 at 18:37:07
I can see why Roy Keane, couldn’t stand that Mick McCarthy.

Last man overruns the ball, slides and makes a good tackle, but it’s deemed serious foul play? Maybe it’s me but football has never disillusioned me so much, and not just because that decision was made against Everton.

Like United’s penalty last night, concept has completely left this sport, even if Jagielka’s lack of ability with the football has always caused him problems?

Christy Ring
34 Posted 11/08/2018 at 18:44:06
Looked at it again at halftime, Jagielka got the ball, no way was it over the top. A shocking decision by the Ref, has turned the game completely. I would gladly take a draw now.
Mal van Schaick
35 Posted 11/08/2018 at 18:44:47
This ref is not up to Premier League standard. Demote him!
Peter Dodds
37 Posted 11/08/2018 at 19:22:15
So Richarlison scores two goals and is BTSport's MotM. Take that, Paul Merson.
Gavin Johnson
38 Posted 11/08/2018 at 19:26:04
Well done lads. We battled to the end and would have won that game with 11 men. I'm looking forward to this season now.
Peter Gorman
39 Posted 11/08/2018 at 19:29:21
Jags effectively sabotaged the result but there was quite a lot to be positive about.

My perennial boo-boys Keane and Schneiderlin actually played well. Aside from losing his man for their 2nd equaliser, Keane was rock solid throughout, certainly better than he has been last year.

Schneiderlin put a shift in and played very well.

All the plaudits though for Richarlison; good finishing and worked very hard covering back, as required by Silva.

A win would have been just splendid but after playing the 2nd half with 10 men I can settle for a point.

Sue Brown
40 Posted 11/08/2018 at 19:33:08
Feeling a bit more optimistic now, we would have nailed that with 11 men. And well done to Richarlison despite being held down at every opportunity.
Stewart Lowe
41 Posted 11/08/2018 at 19:34:16
What a huge huge turnaround. I was completely engrossed in the game and very exciting. We pressed well and found gaps between the lines. We should have won it but a point at the home of a newly promoted side is excellent. Everyone gave 100% and that's what us fans ask for.

Tosun's shit was too tame, but there were loads of positives. The team will gradually evolve over the season but already you can see what Silva is trying to do. For the first time in what seems a life time, Everton play an exciting game of football. COYB

Pat Kelly
42 Posted 11/08/2018 at 19:34:37
Let's pray Richarlison stays fit. We've no other decent goal scorer. Feels like two points dropped. But we're still unbeaten !
Eric Paul
43 Posted 11/08/2018 at 19:34:50
Got the impression the Neanderthal and prick McCarthy wanted us to get beat. It will be difficult for Jagielka to regain his place over our new signings and Holgate.
Tony Abrahams
44 Posted 11/08/2018 at 19:34:57
It's a very long time since I've seen a player of such quality play for Everton, Peter. The second goal was right out of the top drawer, it was pure quality.

Keane, Snides, so much better, although I would love to see Morgan travel forward with the ball, and no way is Baines finished? Although after the benefit of a replay, I switched the blame from Keane to Leighton, but isn't football is easy when your sitting on the couch!

Everton worked hard, broke well at times, and it would have been all downhill for Ricky, if he could have have got the ball out his feet for Walcott twice, because that was a still a really good debut.

David Connor
45 Posted 11/08/2018 at 19:35:31
Really good gutsy performance from us. I just hope the Brazillian wonderkid is okay for next week. We defo need another striker though. Niasse and Tosun just are not good enough in my opinion.

Sorry, Jags, close the door on your way out, you fucking muppet. Hope thats his last game, he's been a bloody liability far to long now. He's finished.

Well done, to the 10 men in blue... Now let's stuff Southampton next week. Good signs so far.

Darren Hind
46 Posted 11/08/2018 at 19:37:27
Twat of a decision.
Jay Wood
[BRZ]

47 Posted 11/08/2018 at 19:37:33
Hugely encouraging performance in difficult circumstances.

A man down for 50 minutes, and we were still the better team for most of the 2nd half and thoroughly deserved to retake the lead.

Richarlison a clear MoTM and not just for his two goals. He told us he is a team player. He showed it today. How many times in the 2nd half did you see him tracking back, from his left wing position, right across to the right back position?

OK, circumstances dictated we needed all hands to the pump, but maybe he needs to be discouraged from expending so much energy in that manner and conserve it for where he can most hurt the opposition. Was his substitution caused by fatiguing himself so much on excessive defensive duties?

By contrast, Theo Walcott looked well off the pace. Not sharp at all, possibly due to missing so much game time pre-season.

Keane also had an excellent game and Baines continues to demonstrate it is way too premature to dismiss with his services just yet.

The resilience and discipline from Everton was a joy to behold. With XI on the park we would, I believe, comfortably have won that game.

With the new signings, with more time, things can only get better.

I repeat: encouraging.

Mike Gaynes
48 Posted 11/08/2018 at 19:38:36
Nobody's mentioned him, but Gana was absolutely outstanding. Did his usual ballwinning thing but also connected on every pass in the game, and most of them were forward.

Baines started both goals and played well, Keane had his best game in an Everton shirt by far, and Holgate reminded us how good he can be.

But obviously Richarlison is the reason everybody is smiling. Wow, what a talent.

Peter Smith
49 Posted 11/08/2018 at 19:41:18
Would you swap Richarlison for Lukaku? I know who I would rather have.
Harry Hockley
50 Posted 11/08/2018 at 19:42:15
Going to keep it short and sweet,
I was very impressed by the performance I saw today because to be honest I wrote them off before kick-off but they proved me wrong so I'm very happy,

Few beers tonight for me, hope you all have a nice evening fellow Evertonians :)

ps: Keane was very good today.

Nicholas Ryan
51 Posted 11/08/2018 at 19:43:25
Pity we spent all that money on overpriced rubbish...err...oh...right!
David Milner
52 Posted 11/08/2018 at 19:43:49
Very optimistic after today's performance & we were missing 5 new & better players. Jags tackle was 2 footed & he went straight through their player. Red card? Maybe dangerous play & a 3 match ban. We cannot change the result but the ban should mean he doesn't play again, result.

Holgate looked good when he came on, will one of the new boys partner him next week.

Gana looked a bit lightweight though. Schneidelin?

If Rico is not fit we have Bernard to slot in. Baines played well attacking but his defensive positioning is bad.

Roll on next week, a draw with 10 men away from home is not a bad result.

Clarence Toh Lim
53 Posted 11/08/2018 at 19:43:58
No player last season have caused us fans so much ire as Schneiderlin but he had a pretty good game today. Broke up play and passed it neatly. Where was this Schneiderlin last year?

At almost 34, Baines still solid. Between Digne, Baines and Richarlison our left side looks good. and of course, Richarlison did well today.... pacey, direct and tenacious with an eye for goal. He could be quite a player for us.

If Tosun had played Walcott through on goal we might even have snuck a win.

Steve Cotton
54 Posted 11/08/2018 at 19:45:37
Ex ref Peter Walton is a complete twat. He said it was a dangerous tackle first time then changed it to preventing a goal scoring opportunity. He was wrong on both counts. And the ref let them take the free kick from wherever they wanted. If he's done that again the RS every media outlet would be screaming Robbed!!
Jakub Kollar
55 Posted 11/08/2018 at 19:46:38
Richarlison is a beast. He ran to help the defense and was so effective. Keane had a great game and looked rock solid - except the second goal. Bainesy was great, too. Only one who didn't really meet expectations was Gylfi.

And I'll tell you, it's really hard to be the only Evertonian in a bar, shouting and screaming. I wish I had more like me around up here in far north.

Jamie Crowley
56 Posted 11/08/2018 at 19:47:48
So many signs of improvement! Our defensive shape was excellent.

That's a tough point with 10 men, and it'll get done to death but there is no way - no way at all - that's a red card. Just isn't. Won the ball, tackle wasn't shin-high or anything. It was a good, good recovery and tackle for me.

But moving on from that the spirit and effort were sublime in my opinion.

Gana was fantastic - covered acres of space. Rich is simply awesome. Keane was great despite letting the striker behind him for the goal. Baines very good. And I think I may be the only one to say this but I thought Tosun was great. He ran a ton side to side to apply pressure, and I thought he was wonderful with players running off him. I saw a lot of comments on the LF slating the guy - I saw a completely different situation and performance from Cenk.

Lots to be happy with. I'm not happy with a point as I believe we are the better team, but what an improvement over the dross and ass effort we've seen from last season.

It's going to be a good 2018-2019.

Stewart Lowe
57 Posted 11/08/2018 at 19:47:53
We are going to have to put a £200m buy out clause in Richarlisons contract 😃
Peter Morris
58 Posted 11/08/2018 at 19:48:25
That twat Mark Lawrenson predicted 2-1 to Wolves. Another interesting fact... the bookies have us and Wolves 250-1 to win the title. I know neither will, but Wolves the same odds as us? And West Ham are 300-1! Seems odd.
Ernie Baywood
59 Posted 11/08/2018 at 19:48:51
Obviously a man down meant everyone worked harder but doesn't really change how we play. It's still far too split down the middle. We either defend our we attack - no-one has the ability to link those two things together.

I actually thought Tosun did a decent job. In the absence of any other link it's going to fall to him to bring players into the game. Probably not his natural game but he was willing. We know what Niasse brings and doesn't bring - created opportunities with his pace and then controlled a ball with every part of his body!

We'll scare a few teams this year. The attack needs time to gel but that was a decent starting point. Very pleased for Richarlison – a young man with a lot of pressure on him. He earned that with some basic hard work and some great skill.

Baines v Digne is far from sorted!

Stephen Beattie
60 Posted 11/08/2018 at 19:50:41
Cruising until the sending off. Was a red in my opinion. Free kick from wrong place. Wolves lucky and generally poor. To come away with a point with 10 men is a very good start though.

Richarlison brilliant – including tracking back. Hoping Tosun can step it up as was pretty cack. All in all, a rollercoaster for my 15-week-old first son – at least there were highs unlike last season; welcome aboard, son!

Jamie Crowley
61 Posted 11/08/2018 at 19:50:49
Ernie -

"We either defend our we attack - no-one has the ability to link those two things together."

Patience. I think Bernard will be a revelation.

Dermot Byrne
62 Posted 11/08/2018 at 19:51:22
I finished the day more optimistic...

I think we have a good manager.

Dermot Byrne
63 Posted 11/08/2018 at 19:52:57
Totally agree Jamie. He is the link and maybe Gomes too?
Chris Donnelly
64 Posted 11/08/2018 at 19:53:35
Fat Sam!!! Take note, the same players bar 1, and down to 10 men we played better today than at any time you were being a phoney Mr Big.

Proud of the heart and spirit shown today by the lads.

Hopefully this will be the start of something good.

Well done today, and the fans at the game were truly awesome.

COYB

Eric Paul
65 Posted 11/08/2018 at 19:53:46
Don’t they speak English in Watford
Jamie Crowley
66 Posted 11/08/2018 at 19:55:56
Yes Dermot.

And continuing that, it's a bit harsh to say there's no link when you're down to 10 men. Ten men dictates a mentality and approach of, "time to defend!" and then quickly transition to, "here's an opportunity, attack!"

Linking with 10 men isn't really going to happen too often.

And Ernie, please know I'm not being critical of your comment! It's very, very clear we need that link by any reasonable measure in the main. You know your shit way more than I.

I just think we need to be patient and we'll see it, especially with Bernard.

Ernie Baywood
67 Posted 11/08/2018 at 19:56:05
Seeing that challenge again I can kind of see why he gave it. It's a 'lunge'. Certainly not two footed and while studs are showing it wasn't the kind of straight on studs up challenge that very obviously needs to be punished.

Basically any kind of desperate challenge is being taken out of the game. A shame in my view, but maybe I need to acknowledge I'm a bit old school.

Ray Said
68 Posted 11/08/2018 at 19:56:34
Some nice combinations down the left which look good for the future. Gana played well, harried, tackled, was always available. Richarlison was as good as the other posters have stated.

I was a bit disappointed with Walcott who kept cutting inside instead of stretching the defence wide. Coleman was very solid defensively but didn't get past his man to cross much – maybe managers instructions when away? Keane made some really good headers and I don't really blame him for the way their striker got free for their second goal as it and he seemed well placed, the cross was perfect and it missed his head by inches.

A pretty good performance with more to come.

Gerry Ring
69 Posted 11/08/2018 at 19:57:42
Decent enough performance all round.

Keane, apart from the second goal, did well as did Baines & Seamus, who had some crucial interceptions. Schneiderlin seems to play the game on his own terms. Played better than normal but pulled out of a 50/50 challenge early on.

Promising start bearing in mind the improvement the new boys will bring. Time to make arrangements to travel to Goodison.

Pat Kelly
70 Posted 11/08/2018 at 19:58:54
Chance now for Holgate to stake his claim. Zouma won't be fit for some time.
Colin Glassar
71 Posted 11/08/2018 at 19:59:15
Green shoots everywhere.
Steven Astley
72 Posted 11/08/2018 at 20:01:40
Positioning of their free kickthat resulted in 1-1 was a disgrace. Taken at least 10 yards away from where the foul took place.
Ernie Baywood
73 Posted 11/08/2018 at 20:03:50
Jamie and Dermot, we're all hoping it's one of them. But we're dealing with players most of us haven't seen much of.

I can't see Bernard, all 5ft 5in of him, playing in a true midfield role. And I certainly can't see any of our centre backs having the balls or the capability to slide passes into his feet further forward.

I'm hoping it's Gomes who replaces Schneiderlin and can bring the ball out. Schneiderlin did a decent job defensively in the second half but the problem with him was very evident in the first before the sending off. We have no idea how to go from defence to attack. We basically have to hope we win the ball in the opposition half.

Still, there were enough positives to take from today. That was the negative one for me.

Jamie Crowley
74 Posted 11/08/2018 at 20:04:11
Steve Ferns has been saying Gueye can't play the holding role. I so disagree with that sentiment, and I say that walking on eggshells as Steve is an exceedingly knowledgable contributor.

Gana didn't commit a foul all day in a poor position. He also held when he needed to. He is an absolute ball winner and his distribution was far from poor to my eyes.

I think Silva can coach him into the mould he wants from a player in the deeper midfield role.

For me, he's such a better option than Schneiderlin.

Kevin Prytherch
75 Posted 11/08/2018 at 20:06:08
Personally I thought that the Jagielka sending off was a farce.

1. He won the ball

2. He wasn’t flying through the air

3. When his studs met the ball, they were skimming the grass - hardly studs up.

4. Their player went to ground holding his thigh at first. That needs to be clamped down on.

5. It wasn’t a dangerous lunge, it was a well timed tackle that we should be praising (albeit after a silly mistake).

David McMullen
76 Posted 11/08/2018 at 20:06:47
In general, I was pleased with how we applied ourselves but disappointed we didn't win. On the other hand in my opinion disgusted with the referee fair challenge to me didn't even touch the man. The BT ref, is it Peter Walton, was a gobshite.
Kristian Boyce
77 Posted 11/08/2018 at 20:08:18
Pure incompetence from the officials, changing the reason for the red after the game. Basically means that we have no chance of appealing the card. Disgraceful behaviour to cover up their mistakes.
Mark Brennnan
78 Posted 11/08/2018 at 20:10:08
+s: Richarlison, Holgate, Seamus, Silva
–s: Schneiderlin, Schneiderlin, Schneiderlin
Dave Abrahams
79 Posted 11/08/2018 at 20:12:20
Happy with a point because of the circumstances, plenty of good performances, leave the one or two poor ones for another day, delighted with Richarlison without the goals, very clever player, hardly wasted a ball, if he keeps this standard up he will make the transfer fee look like a real bargain.

Is there any TV pundits who have a fair viewpoint on Everton? Never seem to get a balanced opinion, looks like they can't wait to stick the knife in. In the coming weeks, tackles like Jagielka's today will be robustly defended.

Dermot Byrne
80 Posted 11/08/2018 at 20:13:57
Ernie..just have great hope re Bernard in this "can't touch" age.

Gomes at his best is some player such as Valencia days.

Tough with love...maybe we have a clever boss?

We'll see eh?

Drew Shortis
81 Posted 11/08/2018 at 20:14:08
Pleased with the draw under the circumstances. Some positive signs & the weaknesses already have players ready to come in and cover. Richarlison looks like a hell of a player!

Jagielka's time has passed. Great servant to the club but we cannot afford to be sentimental. He's going to struggle to get back in the team. I thought the red card was a little harsh, but it was his own poor first touch that forced him into the last-ditch tackle.

For me the player that frustrated the most was Schneiderlin. Holgate was furious at him for the second goal & when I watched the replays I could see why. He was wandering around as a sort of 3rd centre back with no Wolves players nearby while the player he should have been helping to close down & block the cross from was a good ten yards away FFS.

Morgan doesn't contribute much in the way of passing, he doesn't have Gana's energy & determination & he looks lazy & seems to have poor positional sense. He isn't fit to lace up Gareth Barry's boots in my opinion & it baffles me why so many managers seem to rate him.

I don't mean to be overly negative as we have Zouma, Mina, Bernard & Gomes to come in and replace these two. I just don't understand why we didn't offload Morgan in this window. Perhaps we can still sell him to a European team before the window there closes!

Anyway, now that slightly nervy first game is out of the way with a respectable result I think we will start to see Silva's influence grow as we get into our stride. COYB!

Rob Dolby
82 Posted 11/08/2018 at 20:14:16
That performance was better than 90% of what we had to put up with last season.

Ref killed the game for us, we dominated up to that point. A Coleman square ball to Niasse would have won it for us.

Promising signs all around.

Marcus Leigh
83 Posted 11/08/2018 at 20:15:06
Disappointed we didn't take all three points, especially having been ahead twice. But given the circumstances (away to by far the best Championship team of last season with all the bounce promoted teams enjoy early doors in the Premier League, down to 10 men before half-time, bedding in new recruits, etc), this surely has to be seen as a positive start.

And a great debut performance by Richarlison which promises much for the future. Let's hope the other new signings follow his exemplary lead. The dawn of a new era? Who knows. We can only live in hope. COYB.

John Keating
84 Posted 11/08/2018 at 20:15:57
Made up for Richie, however, I was equally impressed with his defending and tracking back.

Equally Tosun did extremely well on his lonesome own some especially after the sending off.

Admittedly Keane had a "good" game but that's relative as again he switches off and defensively we are still horrendous.

The sending off ruined the game as up until then playing against 11 Wolves would never have had a look in.

The sooner our new lads get up to speed the better. Zoo a and Mina look starters ASAP. still not convinced with Siggy. Once Walcott gets a few games under his belt we will be electric going forward.

I would have settled for a draw before the game but seeing how bad Wolves actually were it seems like a bit of a loss.

Brian Wilkinson
85 Posted 11/08/2018 at 20:17:31
2 very poor decisions cost us 3 points today, Tosun choosing not to lay the ball off to Walcott and Coleman's screwed pass to Niasse, 2 golden chances to put the game to bed.

With that out of the way, all the players stood up today, no farting about, as soon as Jags went off, we addressed it with putting Holgate on but still holding shape in attack.

Likewise when Tosun went off we brought Niasse on instead of settling for a draw, how refreshing to be positive instead of shut shop. Ok so we never got the winner, but it stopped our opponents pushing too far forward, or the ball coming straight back in our half when we cleared it.

Once we get the new guys in I think we will do well, already a big improvement on last season's shite we had to put up with.

Most players looked a lot more comfortable on the ball today. Very rare we start a season well, but the green shoots are already visible and an interesting season for us to look forward to.

Chris Corn
86 Posted 11/08/2018 at 20:20:55
Drew, as much as I'm no fan as Schneiderlin and I saw Holgate have a go at him but I don't see how the wide man not stopping a cross from close to the touchline was his fault. Especially the position he was in. I thought Keane played well today but for me he was caught ball watching and didn't know where his man was.
Christy Ring
87 Posted 11/08/2018 at 20:21:45
A very promising start, considering we had 10 men for around 55 mins.

Richarlison great going forward, and in defence, hope Jeff embarrases Merson the twat, next Saturday.

Keane had a good game.

Wallcott not match fit, but we already look a different team under Silva. I hope our new signings, come into the frame, over the next couple of weeks.

David McMullen
88 Posted 11/08/2018 at 20:23:27
Stuart Pearce on Talkshite said it was the same type of performance as Allardyce from last season!

Er. A million times better, even at this early stage. We were positive, in fact we'd have lost this with Allardyce, like the West Ham game.

Stewart Lowe
89 Posted 11/08/2018 at 20:24:14
Jakub (#55),

Where up north are you?

Drew Shortis
90 Posted 11/08/2018 at 20:24:46
Looking at other comments on here people seem to rate Schneiderlin's performance today as decent. Perhaps I missed some of his good work.

For me a holding midfielder's job is to either to block the cross coming in or mark an opponent in the box if he's too far away. He did neither for the equaliser. He was just wandering around in no-mans-land.

I'll re-watch it on MotD & I may be proven wrong, but for me he was the player who should have at least attempted to stop that cross coming in.

Dermot Byrne
91 Posted 11/08/2018 at 20:24:53
"That performance was better than 90% of what we had to put up with last season."

In a nutshell, Rob.

Steavey Buckley
92 Posted 11/08/2018 at 20:25:51
How Silva can go into the first game of the season with a defence that has no defence is beyond reasonable doubt. But what is also worrying both Tosun and Walcott were totally inadequate against Wolves:

Pickford: A competent and first class goal-keeper but does not make world class saves: 6

Coleman: Everton need the Coleman of past years: 6

Keane: Had a good game, better than expected: 7

Jagielka: Should never have started: 0

Holgate: Should have started: 7

Baines: Looked very tired in the end: 6

Walcott: No contribution whatsoever: 0

Gueye and Scheiderlin both played well: 7

Tosun: Makes Lukaku look irreplaceable: 0

Sigurdsson: Can't be blamed for Silva choosing Jagielka over Holgate: 6

Richarlison: Already looks irreplaceable: 10

Amit Vithlani
93 Posted 11/08/2018 at 20:25:55
Spot on Dave A. Also, Wolves received a big build up too in the media and it was almost as if we were playing the party poopers.

I am pleased that an Everton XI went out today and played for the jersey. Richarlison looks genuinely proud to be here and his work rate was infectious.

I feel sorry for Jags. He did well for 40 minutes and 1 error was costly. The way we are set up and play requires players with an assured touch. Jags can't hoof it anymore so he will be a casualty of the new era anyway.

Criticism of Siggy is harsh. He tried to link up with Baines and Richarlison and with Schneiderlin sitting deep, Siggy went hunting for the ball. It looks like he is a slow starter so might need a couple of games to get going.

Hope Zouma gets fit for next week end.

Even the coterie of curmudgeons (did TW settle on the correct collective description?) can't moan about the performance surely?

Derek Knox
94 Posted 11/08/2018 at 20:26:14
Having watched the incident again, I still think there was no intent from Jagielka, and also the fact that they had a free kick in a dangerous area (which was incorrectly taken 5 yards further from the spot but that's another matter) was punishment enough, along with a Yellow Card.

I have seen a lot worse, either go unpunished, or receive a Yellow, and no free kick as well.

This is what irks, the inconsistencies by different refs.

Dominic Tonge
95 Posted 11/08/2018 at 20:28:52
I enjoyed that game. So, on that basis alone, it's a step forward from the last regime.

I am actually not joking either, I thought we played well against a decent side. Make no mistake, they are better than most sides we will face, and the slick surface helped their game by allowing the passing to have a little extra zip, and giving defenders the chance to lose their footing. Add the hour we played with ten men and I thought that we still carried a threat.

On the whole, we kept our shape and pressed well. There were a lot of times we nicked the ball back and could have (and possibly should have) either extended the lead or gone back in front, had we used the ball better.

Richarlison proved that ruining deadline day was in fact a brilliant idea, as we now have a threat down both flanks – Baines it seems will and can get forward if he trusts the player ahead of him.

Keane was pretty good – the equaliser for me was more down to the fact there was no-one closing the cross down. There was a bit of fight, a bit of nark, and some really good football.

Pickford made up for getting caught trying to steal a yard for the wolves opener by making a huge save, and he and Keane were both vocal.

Had Coleman (who should be captain, with Jagielak as some nominal figurehead club captain) managed to find Niasse with a cross late on, then it might have been is coming away with all three points. Although it's equally possible he would have hit the post, or fallen over, or ballooned it into Row Z come to think of it.

I like the lad coz he managed to make Koeman look a meff, and he's always smiling. Not necessarily the recognised method of judging a footballer I grant you, but hey.

All in all - I think even if this is a season of transition, we might go well. Anyway, off to work! Grim!

John Malone
96 Posted 11/08/2018 at 20:29:31
Drew (#90), 100% agree he is the most half-hearted gutless blagger of a centre mid since Alex Nyarko.

The amount of times he shirks his off-the-ball responsibilities is unbelievable – watch at every corner or piece of play where he has to track a runner or close a space; he totally can't be arsed.

The sooner Jimmy Mac is fit, the better.

David Hallwood
97 Posted 11/08/2018 at 20:30:06
General agreement all round, the red card was the turning point and we would've cruised it without the incident.

But last season we would've collapsed and been beaten by 3-4 a la Southampton.

So good start, is this the last time we see Jags in a blue shirt?

Si Cooper
98 Posted 11/08/2018 at 20:30:12
It was poor play that led to it but for the sake of the game that can't be a red card worthy challenge. There is simply no other way to stretch to attempt that challenge. There isn't any intent to do anything other than take the ball and he got that before catching their player's ankle. Not two-footed and a matter of inches above the ground. We will see much worse get away with yellows this season.

To allow the subsequent free kick to be taken 6 yards further forward is equally as bad. Two poor defensive lapses have given them two goals, but poor refereeing has probably cost us the 3 points.

Walcott well below the level we need him to perform at but I presume he is still lacking fitness. Personally, I think the midfield has to work harder to give the defence other options when we are trying to play it out from the back.

Overall, a decent performance. If our recent influx can significantly improve us then we have a lot to look forward to. I'm hoping Richarlison coming off was just a sensible precaution. Avoiding injuries to key players will be crucial this season though we have better strength in depth on paper.

Gary Russell
99 Posted 11/08/2018 at 20:30:19
Are we so biased that we get offended? I don't think so, we have a good idea of who we are and call it as we see it. Stuart Pearce's comments make me more convinced that very few give us the time of day and most don't like us. I wonder why that is? Genuinely curious.
Jay Wood
[BRZ]

100 Posted 11/08/2018 at 20:30:23
I'm guessing by the comments that a few posters viewed the same commentary as me - the BT one - in which they called on ex-ref Peter Walton to offer his opinion on the Jags' red card.

Did anyone else pick up that when first asked to comment on it, without showing a replay of the image, he categorically stated it was the correct call because Jags caught the Wolves player high on the shin. Whilst Walton was actually speaking those words they started showing a slow-mo replay of the tackle.

What was immediately obvious is that Jags slid in with his foot on the ground. At no point did he lift it off the ground. In the same sentence that Walton had stated 'he caught him high on the shin', he closed it by saying 'he caught his ankle'.

The first replay was not immediately conclusive if Jags got something of the ball before catching the player's ankle. What was obvious is that it was not a two-footed, studs showing lunge.

It also sounds, Clive Thomas-like, that the referee is changing the reason for the red card from dangerous play to stopping a goal scoring opportunity.

And evidently I was not alone in noting on the resulting free kick that the Wolves player did a Gary McAlister on us by gaining a few yards to improve his scoring chances. Pickford should still have done better, mind.

Grant Rorrison
101 Posted 11/08/2018 at 20:31:12
Gutted with that result. 10 men or not Wolves are garbage. I couldn't see them scoring a second. Even Michael Keane looked comfortable against them, and then...

Derek Knox
102 Posted 11/08/2018 at 20:35:19
John @96 and Drew @90, couldn't agree more, let's be honest, Schneiderlin was a passenger today, as he is in nearly every game, it makes my blood boil, as everyone else put in a shift today. It was effectively playing with 9 men after Jags went.

Yet, he still gets picked nearly every game, it's about time this charlatan was either shipped out, or frozen out.

Si Cooper
103 Posted 11/08/2018 at 20:36:42
Gary Russell, what is it that you heard Stuart Pearce say? I didn’t hear the whole commentary but I clearly heard him say that he didn’t think it should have been a red card and without it we probably would have gone on to win.
George Cumiskey
104 Posted 11/08/2018 at 20:40:28
Walcott was also a passenger today; he did absolutely nothing.
David McMullen
105 Posted 11/08/2018 at 20:41:15
Pearce said the performance was the same as under Allardyce.
Eric Paul
106 Posted 11/08/2018 at 20:43:29
Steavey Buckley,

Everything you said after Pickford is irrelevant, did you not watch the World Cup?

Jakub Kollar
107 Posted 11/08/2018 at 20:43:37
Stuart (#89) – right now Stockholm, Sweden. Few moments after I posted my comment I had a very lovely encounter with a local, about 65 years old. I was just entering my bus when he - sitting on the front seat – asked me if I was English or Swedish and started talking how great it is to finally meet an Evertonian. We talked briefly about the match, but it was really refreshing to finally meet somebody who knew which part of Liverpool is better!
Kevin Prytherch
108 Posted 11/08/2018 at 20:44:55
The thing that irritates me about Schneiderlin is that he rarely ever shows for the ball.

Watch him next time, the centre backs will have it and he will position himself directly behind an opposition player, forcing the centre backs to play it wide.

He is meant to be the player that dictates play in that area and starts the ball moving, instead he hides.

All it would take is 3/4 steps to one side and he is available, the ball moves forward and it is already past their most advanced player. Instead we are faced with all 10 outfield players and no outlet other than Gueye or the full backs, as the 4 attacking players are where they should be - upfield.

Mike Price
109 Posted 11/08/2018 at 20:46:58
Very encouraging signs but how anyone can think Tosun was adequate is beyond me. He was shockingly bad and we need to unload him in January, he's slow, not aggressive and has a terrible touch; he gave the ball away yet again, which led to their second equaliser too.

Baines was decent but he just can't close down, they clearly targeted him as a weak link which he is. He's always 10 yards from his man who has time to pick a cross with no pressure on the ball with Baines just jumping and waving a leg.

Mike Connolly
110 Posted 11/08/2018 at 20:47:24
Talk about the love-in for Wolves. McManaman or the commentator said towards the end of the match. "If Wolves played like they are now, who knows what would have happened."

If we had 11 men I know what would have happened ….we would have beaten them comfortably. You could tell in McManaman's voice he wanted Wolves to score. I thought he was a blue.

Colin Glassar
111 Posted 11/08/2018 at 20:49:44
I heard Macca say (hot mic) “I don’t like Wolves” after the game finished. I’m also worried about Tosun and Walcott. Both were passengers today.
Peter Mills
112 Posted 11/08/2018 at 20:55:41
I thought it was a promising display, at last there was a style of play.

The sending off was a joke, and completely changed the game plan. But Silva adapted.

Keane played well, but hell, that cross drifting over his head was so typical of him.

I was alarmed at our continuing to attack with 10 minutes to go when I thought we should be closing down for a draw. I was wrong (I think).

I enjoyed our performance in an away game. It’s been a while since I could say that.

Drew Shortis
113 Posted 11/08/2018 at 20:57:12
Derek @102 & John @96
I thought I might just be going mad. Been on Morgan's Twitter feed & lots of Toffees congratulating him on an amazing game. I don't pretend to be an expert & can sometimes underestimate a players contribution when they're doing the water carrier roles. I didn't really get Gareth Barry until he became a Toffee. I just see him wandering around a lot as the game passes him by.

That said, if I'm wrong then I'm wrong and I might just be picking on him because of last seasons performances. I want him to do well. I just thought his position for the second goal should have been five to ten yards ahead of the centre-backs & not stood between them marking nobody.

I've just found the replay and run it through in slow motion. We have 3 vs 3 in the box (Holgate, Keane & Baines) then five in line with the edge of the box (Coleman, Walcott, Schneiderlin, Gueye & Richarlison). Coleman and Walcott are responsible for the two wider Wolves players, Richarlison is running back to help out Baines & Gueye & Schniderlin are both in a position to close down the crosser or and runners. Schniederlin is closer than Gana & should have at least been trying to stop the cross from a player in the centre-left position while Gana kept an eye on any runners. Instead, both are caught in no-mans-land while the guy is free to pick out the cross under no pressure. As Morgan is the right of the two its his job to close the distance. On the replay it looks like the guy is taking a free kick!

Anyway, I'm not trying to bring a downer on a decent result. I'm pretty pleased overall & really looking forward to the next one.

Gary Russell
114 Posted 11/08/2018 at 21:17:04
Sorry Si, just seen your post. I was merely quoting Darren on the Live forum who said -

"Stuart Pearce on Talkshite said it was the same type of performance as Allardyce from last season!"

Er... A million times better, even at this early stage. We were positive, in fact we'd have lost this with Allardyce, like the West Ham game.'

Seems a bit ludicrous considering how we performed.

Tim O'Connell
115 Posted 11/08/2018 at 21:17:21
I for one am happy with the result – after Jags fiasco. I disagree with some posters; I thought Leighton was excellent and also Tosun worked his socks off and created Charlie's 2nd goal.

I thought there was spirit which has been lacking for some time. Charlie looks the real deal and with the new recruits to factor in I am very positive.

Steavey Buckley
116 Posted 11/08/2018 at 21:19:03
Eric (#106) I do believe Pickford is a good goal keeper but, when he is beaten by a good shot or header, I do believe someone like Courtois could have saved it with an exceptional save.

Both Liverpool and Chelsea have spent huge amounts of money on goal-keepers they hope will make those exceptional saves other than the routine and competent saves that are expected from just good goal-keepers.

Mike Gaynes
117 Posted 11/08/2018 at 21:24:07
Pete #112, the red card was the ref not knowing the denial rule. And the even worse joke was the placement of the free kick after the red card. Unforgiveable amateurishness from the ref.

On replay of the second goal, however, I don't blame Keane anymore. He was actually quite tight on Jimenez when the cross was played. The blame was on the midfield (primarily Schneiderlin) for not closing down Neves on the cross. Neves is pure quality and you can't give him that much time and space at the edge of the box or he's going to drop in a perfect cross, as he did there.

Mike Price #109, no and no. Silly to write off Tosun after one game, especially after he laid on the second goal for Richarlison. And Baines was better than decent, he was brilliant -- started both goals, made big tackles and interceptions, constantly got into the attacking end. So he doesn't close down... actually, Coleman doesn't either. It's the mids who are supposed to pressure the crosses. Today Richarlison did so repeatedly.

Gary Russell
118 Posted 11/08/2018 at 21:25:14
No downer Drew. Who else wants Morgan to pull on the shirt? Brave man/men please stand up and defend your man. He offers very little, is certainly not brave or worthy of the shirt. His salary makes your blood boil, but this is the modern game were a player makes (earns????) in one week what most of us will be lucky to make in three years of a 40 hour week
Mike Gaynes
119 Posted 11/08/2018 at 21:26:21
Drew (#113), I didn't see anything amazing from Schneids either. A couple of excellent tackles, but no great passes and nothing special. To me, he and Tosun and Walcott trailed the pack today. And of course Jags.
John Hammond
120 Posted 11/08/2018 at 21:26:29
Just shows you why it's pointless to get worked up over preseason results and performances. We controlled a lot of the game even with 10 men. Promoted team or not, how many times has that happened with 11 men over the last couple of seasons?!

I felt without the sending off we could've won that fairly comfortably. Southampton next (relegation candidates for me) and I can't see anything but a win.

Gary Russell
121 Posted 11/08/2018 at 21:26:37
Mr Gaynes, your still here! Can't you sleep? Rest well soon squire
Gary Russell
122 Posted 11/08/2018 at 21:30:30
Is it so black and white with keepers? Jordan's agility might mean the keepers you mentioned may not make the saves he makes. It's swings and roundabouts. Be happy we have a rather good keeper in our midst...
Mike Gaynes
123 Posted 11/08/2018 at 21:33:16
Also, Drew, be aware that we do not have a replacement for Schneiderlin at the moment. Macca is some distance away from being fit, and neither Bernard nor Gomes is a defensive mid at all. So unless you prefer Davies in that spot, we'll have to wait for Macca or the January window to bring in a new #6.
Mike Gaynes
124 Posted 11/08/2018 at 21:34:49
Mr. Russell, I'm in Oregon, it's a beautiful early afternoon here!

I do have plans for a nap on the beach, however.

Gary Russell
125 Posted 11/08/2018 at 21:35:50
Taiwan here... 4:35 am. Time to hug the lass. Cheers M
Si Cooper
126 Posted 11/08/2018 at 21:36:38
Gary, I agree that is bilge from Pearce, but I strongly suspect its more of an attempt to talk up Allardyce than a swipe at Everton. Allardyce seems to be everyone's buddy apart from the fans of a few of the teams he has managed!

On a similar theme, I think MacManaman's comments were more of a solid opinion on the way Wolves let the game pass them by until we scored our second rather than enthusiastically supporting them. Possibly they were a little rocked by our performance considering our preseason performances or the manager simply gambled on containment and then pinching a winner with a late flourish.

Wolves and Fulham seem quite highly rated by the pundits. If (a big one) they are right then the result has to be considered decent and our overall performance promising – assuming we will improve somewhat once the manager has time to work with the players he has chosen to keep and those he has brought in.

Chris Corn
127 Posted 11/08/2018 at 21:40:29
Schneiderlin was no better or worse than Gana for me. Don't really see how he was at fault for the second as the cross came in from close to the touchline so you need to look at those defending the wide areas. Keane, who had one of his better games, is totally ball watching and has no idea where Jiminez is . He doesn't even have a look over his shoulder to see what's around him and gets caught out.

The general performance was decent and the fact we had three two on two's on the break was encouraging. Unlike the final ball on each occasion (or shot in Tosun's case). I liked the way we still looked to win that game and we still have other players to come in who will make a difference creatively.

John Boon
128 Posted 11/08/2018 at 21:41:08
Amazing how people have so many different opinions. As a team I thought we did an okay job. Still think the tackle was hard but fair. Disgraceful that Neves was able to move the ball forward five yards. Richie has so much to offer.

As a first game we should not really expect too much. I don't think anybody played badly, but I am sure we will benefit from the new additions.

A huge difference from the Allardyce Everton. Also we didn't have to listen to him spouting rubbish after the game. CYOB...

Si Cooper
129 Posted 11/08/2018 at 21:44:25
Mike Gaynes, I agree that good forward play should be acknowledged but I think a defender has to be disappointed if they don’t keep tight to them in those circumstances. I’m not slagging off Keane (at times he did very well and looked like the player I’d hoped we had bought) but their second goal is still defendable by Keane if he makes the right move at the right time.
Steavey Buckley
130 Posted 11/08/2018 at 21:44:34
The penny has dropped about Tosun, he can't lead the line and take on and bully defenders. That will be a big worry all season until he can be replaced with someone who can.
Tony Abrahams
131 Posted 11/08/2018 at 21:54:07
I think Keane consistently gets caught on the wrong side of the attacker, but if Baines would have stepped up and been in-line with the other defenders, that goal might have been disallowed for off-side?
Dermot Byrne
132 Posted 11/08/2018 at 21:55:00
Steavey. Understand your post.

But he can shoot on first touch. Maybe with Bernard that works?

Maybe at last we realise the lone CF being crossed to or the holdup CF is thing of past?

Taking a ball in front of him?

Stephen Davies
133 Posted 11/08/2018 at 21:55:25
Mike (#117),

Re the placement for the free kick.

A smart clever team argues fervently that the ball is blatantly in the wrong position.

I didnt really see any protest at all. Get Wise, Everton!!

Steavey Buckley
134 Posted 11/08/2018 at 22:06:51
Dermot (#132), when looking at Tosun, Everton were very fortunate to have Lukaku for 4 seasons. He used to wait on the right side of the field and take on the whole defence by himself and still finish with a shot on goal.

Now Tosun just hangs around up front not knowing what to do next, because he has no exceptional power, pace or strength. So opposition defenders can just bully him. Having a fox in the box like Tosun who can put them away can happen when all players are playing well, but what happens on bad days when the opposition controls the game?

2 very valuable points were dropped today.

John Keating
135 Posted 11/08/2018 at 22:10:11
Mike 117

I think both Keane and Holgate were much too far from the Wolves players prior to the cross coming in.

Keane consistently gets caught out either being on the wrong side or allowing too much space in the box.

It was one of his better performances but still poor in my opinion.

Graham Hammond
136 Posted 11/08/2018 at 22:13:24
Steavey Buckley is right about Tosun. In the Premier League you need pace up top if you have ambitions to bridge the gap with the 'top 6'. Tosun may be a decent finisher but cannot create something out of nothing and cannot run or close down. He is not good in the air or strong like Giroud or Duncan Ferguson, Tosun is what I would call a 'hybrid' player, someone who doesn't excel at anything, another waste of money for me. Why wasn't Niasse brought on a lot sooner? We were obviously labouring with ten men and were crying out for a player or players who could actually close down and stop Wolves playing. A better side would have murdered us. Worrying for me that Silva didn't act sooner.
Tony Abrahams
137 Posted 11/08/2018 at 22:15:11
I think this will only change when we aquire a couple of strong personalities Stephen 133, but maybe the disappointment of the red card, had something to do with us taking our eye off where the offence was committed?

I Also don't think Silva, is going to be that type either, and it looks like he wants his players to stay calm, and concentrate, although it's early days to be sure?

I saw him having a go at the 4th official, after their player never received a yellow for fouling Ricky, just a few minutes after he had been booked for a similar offence. He looks like he might take the intelligent approach, rather than the aggressive one, but only time will really tell us that.

Dermot Byrne
138 Posted 11/08/2018 at 22:16:09
Steavey perhaps we may have new players so he doesn't have to hang around?

I agree though there are better


Tony Abrahams
139 Posted 11/08/2018 at 22:25:07
Lukaku, did a lot of waiting Steavey! I'm not sure about Tosun, but let's give him a few games under this new regime, before we can be absolutely sure though?

Okay, it's fair enough that some people are already sure, but I thought he showed well for Baines, and provided a lovely little lay off to Ricky, even if that goal was mostly about the young Brazillians technique and composure.. It really was a magnificent finish that, brilliant!

Tony Everan
140 Posted 11/08/2018 at 22:30:26
Pearce is another example of a mindless ex player somehow earning good money as a pundit, he was way off the mark.

The referee got a game-changing decision wrong, VAR can't come quick enough. Jags got the ball then the player with the follow through. Sending him off was wrong.

The referee then let Wolves take the free kick from a more advanced and much stronger position. These game-changing decisions can't be left to amateurs. The tech makes it clear. It's 2018 not 1918.

Steavey Buckley
141 Posted 11/08/2018 at 22:31:51
The big difference between Lukaku (who is being wasted at Manu) and Tosun, he was always a threat to the opposition, with his height, pace, power and strength. Tosun looks lost by himself up front. Better off playing Niasse, and that is not ideal. No matter how much money is spent, Everton never quite get the players Everton really need.
Robert Workman
142 Posted 11/08/2018 at 22:32:21
I watched the game, in a Porto cafe, with 2 Burnley supporters. They both said that Everton deserved to win, particularly after the ridiculous sending off.

To be honest I thought that Richarlison's tackle, for which he was booked, was worse than Jagielka's 'red card' tackle.

Peter Neilson
143 Posted 11/08/2018 at 22:36:09
Just back from the match and more encouraging than any of the random away victories we've had in the past few years. Looking forward to the new players coming in particularly central defence.

Keane was better today but that's a very low bar and he looked at fault for the equaliser. Likewise Schneiderlin offers very little and doesn't make himself available. Seamus was continually shouting at Theo as they are not on the same wavelength and need to work on this.

Good subs by Silva and kept attacking rather than sitting back. Richarlison was excellent. Green shoots. Oh, all the way back, TalkSport were reporting on the excellent shock result that Wolves had achieved at Goodison...?!

Chris Corn
144 Posted 11/08/2018 at 22:41:02
Steavey, tell us something we don't know. Like everyone else who aspires to break the glass ceiling Everton need top drawer players, which we won't get whilst we remain outside the top four, never mind the top six.

Unfortunately though, the top players we do have, like our keeper, you still see fit to criticise so I suspect you will never be happy until we conquer the world and even then...

Anthony Dove
145 Posted 11/08/2018 at 22:41:08
I have never ever read so much rubbish about any one event as some of the stuff posted about Jag's sending off. We all know he is coming to the end of his career with us but he has been an absolute star for years in a shit team.

The sending off was an absolute farce and if the game has come to this I give up. Why do people use a shit refereeing decision as an excuse to castigate one of our great servants?

Richarilson looks decent but needs to cut out the Neymaring.

Tony Abrahams
146 Posted 11/08/2018 at 22:41:09
Fair point about Romelu's attributes, Steavey, but after seeing our first new signing play today, hopefully things might be about to change?

Dont Stop Thinking About Tomorrow, Because Yesterday's Gone.... and Lukaku it seems will always be wasted. Because if a player has got height, pace, power and strength, then surely he can do no wrong, once his team-mates just give him the ball?

Paul Mackay
147 Posted 11/08/2018 at 22:50:18
Jags made a bad mistake, but I’ve seen it happen a thousand times where a Player tries to correct a mistake like his and it ends in a foul. The red card was borderline and if they hadn’t scored from the free kick that was taken in the wrong place then we wouldn’t be reacting to this so much.

People calling for this to be his last game in an Everton shirt need to take a check of themselves. He’s been an absolute stalwart for us and I hope this is not the way he ends his career at Everton.

Zouma, Mina, Holgate, Keane all very young and I think someone of Jag’s experience can only benefit them, even if he isn’t a first choice for us this season.

Eric Paul
148 Posted 11/08/2018 at 22:51:03
Steavey,

The best keeper in the world only saved 1 of the shots on target during the World Cup, the rest went in; Jordan was the best keeper in the World Cup.

Tosun was involved in both our goals and our only 2 other chances, what do you want?

Anthony Dove
149 Posted 11/08/2018 at 22:51:50
Robert @142 . Spot on. Richarlison's tackle was far worse.
Eric Paul
150 Posted 11/08/2018 at 22:54:23
Antony,

What about the retaliatory tackle on Richarlison from behind? Not even a yellow.

Jerome Shields
151 Posted 11/08/2018 at 22:54:52
Tosun doesn't offer any threat and can't create or get loose ball. Niasse is better, at least he keeps the defence busy. The team played better, but the defence, though Keane played better, made elementary mistakes. I think Keane is better not playing with Jageilka; Holgate is better.

Richardson is worth his fee and Schneiderlin, Sigurdsson and Walcott went missing. At least we have players to replace them now. At the start of the game, I would have settled for a draw, but Everton showed promise and I feel cheated out of a win.

Steavey Buckley
152 Posted 11/08/2018 at 23:01:09
Eric, I based my opinions on what I have seen from Jordan Pickford over last season. He is a good goal keeper, but not world class. World class goalkeepers cost about £70 million.

Top clubs have realised they can pinch points and matches with the best keepers. I can't remember too many games last season where Pickford helped Everton to steal points.

William Gall
153 Posted 11/08/2018 at 23:05:25
As supporters, we were aware that a striker was what we needed to replace Lukaku. Every team craves for a big strong player good in the air can hold onto the ball and bring in to play his other forwards, and be lethal in front of goal. Unfortunately they are not easy to find, and the clubs that have one, either will not let them go or will want exorbitant fees for them.

After the last couple of seasons and managers, we knew that it would take more than 1 transfer window to steady the club with a new manager. We got a new manager along with a Director of Football who in the first window has brought in some good players, changed the system, and have shown improvements in the playing style, both in the organization and fitness.

We have improved in some areas but some other areas need improving, and looking at our strikers there is not much to choose between them, so maybe we should back the manager in his judgement who should play, and not be too critical, as overall, as a "team", this was a good performance today.

Chris Corn
154 Posted 11/08/2018 at 23:05:32
Jerome @151, no way is Niasse a better player than Tosun. Just no way. Eric @148 sums it up. He was involved in plenty of Everton's best chances today.

Niasse came on and kicked the ball out of play with no-one around him, then tackled Digne right at the death when Baines played him into the box. Great lad, great heart and a decent impact player but sometimes he looks like he's won a competition to play.

Graham Hammond
155 Posted 11/08/2018 at 23:06:44
Chris Corn @ 144. Steavey Buckley was perfectly within his right to draw attention to Pickford today; I reckon Robles would have saved that one if I'm being absolutely honest, which is why I do not believe Pickford will ever be a top top keeper, he is simply that little bit too short for me.

You are right in acknowledging the fact that it is much tougher for us in the transfer market than it is for six other (top) clubs but equally we have done ourselves no favours in recent times buying players devoid of pace, players with no resale value, building a squad positionally imbalanced, and failing to address glaring weaknesses. Remember, we could have taken Maguire and Robertson last Summer for relative buttons; we chose not to.

Stevey Buckley is right to criticise; take Richarlison out the equation and we were poor today, why should we be pleased with that? Walcott was abysmal, Tosun poor, as was Sigurdsson. Wolves were hardly the great team the media have been bigging up of late. Seems to me you are just too easily pleased.

Eric Paul
156 Posted 11/08/2018 at 23:08:25
Steavey

He was our best player last season and England's best player in the World Cup. Which keeper that cost about £70 million has proved himself World class or one that you'd even heard of, be honest?

Eric Paul
157 Posted 11/08/2018 at 23:11:54
Graham @155,

Was Southall too short?

Chris Corn
159 Posted 11/08/2018 at 23:15:38
Steavey, Everton could easily command a fee of around £60m for Pickford in this market if he was for sale. Particularly after the World Cup, which you are conveniently ignoring.

As for last season, he prevented cricket scores at times and kept us in games.

David Barks
160 Posted 11/08/2018 at 23:20:52
Holy shit, Steavey. You can't remember games last season where Pickford won us the points? That's a whopper!
Steavey Buckley
161 Posted 11/08/2018 at 23:24:34
Chris, Alan Shearer has been reported on BBC football saying that Pickford should have saved Wolves first goal, by not being in the wrong position for the free kick.

As for £60 million for him, that depends on market conditions and how long his contract with Everton is.

Christy Ring
163 Posted 11/08/2018 at 23:28:38
Graham @155 A bit much, as everyone else could have taken Maguire and Robertson for little money as well, yourself and Steavey are experts?
Graham Hammond
164 Posted 11/08/2018 at 23:28:50
Eric @ 155. I asked for that, didn't I!!

Pickford is a very good keeper and will hopefully improve further and with us! Southall was absolutely incredible despite being, as you correctly point out, relatively short; he was unbelievably agile.

Pickford has been done a few times on looping, curling balls from out wide so my assessment on him is probably similar to Steavey; it's all about opinion at the end of the day.

Some players get off the ground better than others of identical height, cue Tim Cahill!

Andy Crooks
165 Posted 11/08/2018 at 23:32:16
Lots of positives today.

In my view, it was a clear red card caused by bad defending.

Paul Jeronovich
166 Posted 11/08/2018 at 23:36:17
Great point away at a newly promoted club who are on a real high whilst being down to ten men for a large part of the game.

Don't forget, we were that poor last season that Wolves title winning odds are shorter than ours with a few bookies. Onwards and upwards.

Si Cooper
167 Posted 11/08/2018 at 23:37:37
Stephen Davies (133) – first of all, the ref didn't blow immediately, therefore, the Everton players had moved about a bit. Secondly, the red card obviously came as a surprise and in the general milling around afterwards I doubt anyone thought, “I need to keep an eye on where the challenge occurred because the ref might get it massively wrong.” Thirdly, some of the players did try to get the ref to move the ball back after he spotted it where the Wolves player ended up after his tumble and roll, but he simply refused to listen to them. I've no doubt he would have booked them if they'd really tried to change his mind.

Just seen Huddersfield v Chelsea on MotD and the defender who gave away the pen was just as reckless as Jagielka was. The difference was Alonso was moving away from him so just about avoided the brunt of the challenge. If the point is to stop players leaping towards the opposing player with studs showing then near misses also have to get the same punishment. Personally, I think it is the intent that needs to be policed.

Tony Everan (140) the sad thing is they aren't amateurs and their wages are enough you'd expect a certain level of ability.

Chris Corn
168 Posted 11/08/2018 at 23:39:07
Graham , I'm not too easily pleased at all. 45 years watching Everton, so I've seen it all. I think Pickford is a top keeper, as does most of the footballing world.

I also think Tosun has something to offer. You will get absolutely no argument from me on the recruitment policy, but I don't buy them. That lies at the door of Moshiri et al.

It was a decent performance today and there were promising signs. We have made efforts to balance the squad out and add the attributes you rightly point out we lack.

Hopefully it will work out. Doesn't mean I'm easily pleased, just means I don't spend my life thinking we are eternally shit because we don't win every game.

Graham Hammond
169 Posted 11/08/2018 at 23:39:13
Christy @ 163. I am certainly not an expert, no. I genuinely did feel that both those players I mentioned were better than what we had at the time though and it was disappointing that we never tried to go in for either or both. Both would have been good signings in my opinion and just as importantly value for money signings.

My judgement on those two was probably correct, sometimes I am wrong! I follow your posts, Christy, and apart from our differing opinions of James McCarthy, I agree with much of what you have to say.

Steavey Buckley
170 Posted 11/08/2018 at 23:39:51
I remember those harrowing days at school on a Monday morning when Everton lost and Liverpool won .and those jibes directed at Everton from Liverpool FC about them being magic and Everton are tragic. Being a supporter of Everton for nearly 60 years is having to grow a thick skin and belong to the school of hard knocks.

ps: After Everton spending £300 million on players in the past 12 months, shouldn't Everton supporters expect better? When considering many Everton supporters receive just £7.50 an hour to live on? Over to you.

Si Cooper
171 Posted 11/08/2018 at 23:41:49
Andy Crooks (165), bad defending, certainly... but it is a clear red card on what grounds?
Paul Mackay
172 Posted 11/08/2018 at 23:43:03
Graham (#155),

He is taller than Shilton and the same height as Banks. Goals posts are the same size.

Peter Gorman
173 Posted 11/08/2018 at 23:47:05
Believe me, I despise Schneiderlin with the best of them and I'll not forgive him for being found so wanting when the chips were down last season.

But it is churlish to say he was even average today, he was pretty good. One of the above critics ponders whether or not they missed something and I think the answer is yes, he was mostly a very solid midfielder today and made some vital interceptions. His passing was on occasion pretty lax but overall he was unrecognisable from the player we've come to loathe which admittedly is not saying much. That is just how I saw it but I suppose I was scrutinising him a bit more than the rest.

I also think damning Walcott is over the top as he is clearly rusty and did his job fine. But giving a solid 0 points to Tosun I think is ridiculous, as if he contributed nothing. So I guess the little lay off to Charlie passed everyone by? Not to mention his general leading of the line without much support when we were a goal down. There is far more to come from him, I'd not take Lukaku and his ego back for all the goals.

ps: Mike wonders why so little mention of Gana; well, he only did what I've come to expect from him – the prince of tackles.

Si Cooper
174 Posted 11/08/2018 at 23:47:36
Steavey, you can’t just throw the figure of £300 million in and think that wins the argument. We all know that a bang average Premier League player will cost around £20 million. Chelsea have paid out £70 million on a young goalkeeper.
Jay Wood
[BRZ]

175 Posted 11/08/2018 at 23:48:08
One game played and this thread is demonstrating that some posters (naming no names) always need someone to scapegoat.

You just know that no matter what their 'pet hate' does in the match or across the season, they will always seek single incidents to confirm their preset biased against said player.

Nobody who represented Everton today merits some of the dismissive comments being directed at them.

Yes, Jordan Pickford's step to the right for Neves's equalising free kick weighted the odds against him defending it. He also made a telling one-on-one save against Jiminez to keep the score at 1-1.

Yes, Jags created the (still debatable, for me) red card situation himself by his poor first touch. I think it is a wee bit premature to call that his 'last game for Everton' as some are describing it.

Yes, Jiminez got Wolves' second goal from a cross Keane failed to cut out. That claim fails to take into consideration the poor closing down on Neves, allowing him the time to deliver an exquisite quality cross. Sometimes you have to acknowledge the play of the opposition, rather than seek to blame your own players – Keane in this case, who otherwise had an outstanding game.

Yes, as previously stated, possibly the likes of Coleman, Walcott, Schneiderlin, Gueye and even Tosun – all players close to the play when Neves sent in his quality cross for Jiminez to equalise – could have done better in denying Neves time on the ball. But that ignores that Wolves were recycling the ball from a play that saw the ball played in behind the Everton defence from which most of the above-mentioned players correctly readjusted their positions. It was not, as several are trying to claim, the sole responsibility of Schneiderlin that afforded Neves the time he had.

Yes, Tosun doesn't have pace, but it is nonsense to suggest as some are that he lacks power or strength and has poor hold up or linking play. Did those making those claims really not see his part in Richarlison's second goal? With his back to goal, easily pushing back and holding off the marking centre back, receiving the ball from Baines and in one touch slipping in Richarlison who took advantage of the space Tosun's play gave him by finishing with style?

The one player who looked most of the pace and well short of the standards he is capable of today was Theo Walcott. And there is an obvious reason for that: he has not had much game time in pre-season.

I'll leave you with one thought: With the exception of Richarlison, every single one of Everton's starting XI featured regularly under Sam Allardyce last season.

I don't want to traumatise anyone by asking you to recall how the team played under Allardyce, but with EXACTLY the same players Marco Silva got a tune out of his team today in very trying circumstances. Players who many wanted (and apparently STILL want) shifting out of the club.

Early days yet, but Marco Silva demonstrated today we did/do have good players at Everton. It is how you prepare them and ask them to play that goes a long way in determining how good or bad they can look.

Chris Corn
176 Posted 11/08/2018 at 23:50:37
Steavey, I think Everton fans do expect better and that is why they have been instrumental in removing the last three managers despite finishing in positions that the wider football world thinks is our level.

Chris Corn
177 Posted 11/08/2018 at 23:53:39
Can't really argue with that, Jay @175.
John Boon
178 Posted 11/08/2018 at 23:54:47
This was the first game of the season. We only had ten men for half of it.

I was able to watch all or parts of most of today's games and no team was outstanding first day out. After last season's weekly horror shows this was a satisfactory display. Silva has got more out of the same players in one game than Koeman and Allardyce did in a whole season.

Hopefully we are all true Blue supporters and obviously want the best. Optimism is healthy as is patience. We cannot jump to irrational conclusions after one game.

Lenny Jameson
179 Posted 11/08/2018 at 23:55:16
Mr Buckley

I find you hard to believe. I've been going for 60 years. Still do. I've seen it all. The great and the absolute shite but I've never met an Evertonian who is so against everything they do as much as you are.

If you are for real, then get a fuckin grip. Things are nowhere near as bad as you seemingly want them to be.

Steavey Buckley
180 Posted 11/08/2018 at 00:00:59
Lenny, you have not mentioned any points you disagree with me. Instead, you make general points without being specific.

If you don't like Everton fans making judgments about certain Everton players, don't go to live forum when Everton matches are on. Those comments even make me blush.

Dan Davies
181 Posted 11/08/2018 at 00:01:53
I'm thinking Jagelka's challenge had no intent or malice but it was reckless. The red card was harsh but fair.

At the end of the day, it's a schoolboy error that has put himself into that position in the first place.

Jags needs benching and the captaincy given to Seamus.

Ernie Baywood
182 Posted 11/08/2018 at 00:03:03
I think he'll question his own positioning for both goals. In the second one he gets caught right back on his line, reminiscent of Howard.

But that happens. We already know he's a good shot stopper. He showed it again standing big for that one-on-one – a much better save than was made of it.

Distribution was a bit off too... but, again, we know he's one of the best around in that area.

Put it down to rust. Happens to keepers too.

Bill Watson
183 Posted 11/08/2018 at 00:07:00
I thought Baines had an excellent game as did Gana. By his standards, of last season, Schneiderlin did, too.

Walcott was poor throughout and will need to step up to retain his place in the side. I'm surprised he wasn't the one subbed to make way for Holgate. I expected it to be Richarlison as he was already on a yellow.

All in all, quite a creditable point and one we probably wouldn't have got, last season.

Peter Gorman
184 Posted 12/08/2018 at 00:08:45
Steavey, I'm not sure which points you want people to address. The one about the average hourly wage and the money Everton spent? It is buttons in this day and age.

You are coming across as quite mad, but I can't blame you as Everton drove me slowly mad over the course of the last three managers. What I saw today is helping me convalesce but I appreciate it may take time and we won't necessarily all see it at once.

Jamie Crowley
185 Posted 12/08/2018 at 00:11:52
Silva's post match interview is everything I want in a manager.

Everything.

If you've not seen it, go to the official site and have a look.

A man who's disappointed in not getting ALL three points, but credits the players (justly) and defends them, all while arguing the Blue point of view as to how the game was basically ruined by a ref.

Roll on Marco. You da man.

William Gall
186 Posted 11/08/2018 at 00:12:55
Steavey, knowing what positions we needed in the transfer window, and how many players we needed, who would you have bought and how much would you have paid?

Remember there is still this Financial Fair Play rule in effect. Who would you have sold and for how much to give you more funds to buy? Remember, they have to want to come and the club you negotiate will want to sell.

Lenny Jameson
187 Posted 12/08/2018 at 00:18:15
Mr Buckley,

I disagree with every single post you have put on here. No-one can be so much against a club and profess to support them.

True Everton fans can make any point they want. But true Everton fans wouldn't be so down on them with every breath they take.

And you still haven't said if you've ever actually been to a match in your life!

Peter Thistle
188 Posted 11/08/2018 at 00:22:01
Can we stop passing the ball back to Pickford then getting him to launch it upfield? He can't pass a ball to save his life. Throw it out to a midfielder or defender, stop hoofing it long.

It drives me mad to see how much we give possession away. Yeh Pickford can save shots but man he's so shit with his feet, worse passer than Jags... sigh.

Don Alexander
189 Posted 11/08/2018 at 00:22:52
Today was interesting because of a pre-season that was, to many, me included, disastrous. Today, we looked like a team, and two of that team were signed on Allardyce's watch. I'm no fan of the guy but maybe we need to recognise that. The addition of Richarlison was the key addition to a team that, under Allardyce, Koeman and Martinez, failed to look fit, interested, or likely to win.

I don't want to come across as a hard-ass but it is early days in a new regime hopefully devoid of interference from Kenwright. Right now, the future under M&M, and yes the other "M" – Moshiri, seems a lot more rosy than in many a year.

I read that Silva's 3-year contract is £3mill pa with incentives based on league position. Good; incentivisation is how it should be, including players. That said, if we get top six this season, I really hope Mr Moshiri gives serious thought to whatever it might take to making our club even more a golden vision to M&M.

They'd deserve it, as would us fans.

Hugh Jenkins
190 Posted 12/08/2018 at 00:25:26
Steavey (161). I have no objection to anyone voicing their personal opinion on any matter. However, I do question the sanity of anyone that quotes an utterance by Alan Shearer as being an authoritative opinion.

Shearer was a great striker, a dirty player, and is a sycophantic pundit. If asked for an opinion on an incident on Match of the Day, he will always go with the "popular" view. His stance on the Niasse "dive" at Crystal Palace last season proved that to me, beyond reasonable doubt.

So please, do not hold his opinion up as though he is a "Paragon of Virtue"; in all matters football. He isn't! He is nothing more than a "Paid reactionary hireling of the Western Press", as Comrade Stalin would have said.

ps: £7.50 an hour amounts to £65,700.00 per annum – wish I was on that. I know what you mean – but if you are going to quote facts and figures – you do need to be precise.

Steavey Buckley
191 Posted 12/08/2018 at 00:27:17
Lenny, so any comments where I heap praise on Everton players, you are against? I gave 10/10 to Richarlison, 7/10 to Keane, Holgate, Gueye and Schneiderlin. 6/10 to Coleman, Pickford, Sigurdsson and Baines. That doesn't appear as though someone who is being highly critical, does it? I have my opinions, you have yours.
Chris Corn
192 Posted 12/08/2018 at 00:31:14
Peter Thistle, Pickford's distribution is regarded as a key part of his game so, if you watch him regularly, I can't really understand what you are talking about.
Lenny Jameson
193 Posted 12/08/2018 at 00:34:16
Mr Buckley

Have you ever been to a match???????

Si Cooper
194 Posted 12/08/2018 at 00:38:17
Peter Thistle, have you watched many games that Jordan Pickford has played in? Only asking because one of the things he is especially renowned for is his distribution with his feet. Obviously you think picking out a man 50 metres away and more is a piece of piss.

The simple problem is that, 90% of the time he is playing it forwards like that, it is precisely because the outfield players have failed to find a constructive outlet for themselves, and so there is no obvious right ball to play and the defenders are ready and waiting.

Steavey Buckley
195 Posted 12/08/2018 at 00:39:07
Lenny, pass.
Paul Birmingham
196 Posted 12/08/2018 at 00:40:51
All-in-all, a good gutsy show based on the game.

Character and fight; far more than we've seen for the last 4 years, in my record.

Not perfect, but first game and EFC done well. Plenty of hope today for the future.

We have some natural class, but soon it will show. A good team and team spirit is brewing.

Don Alexander
197 Posted 12/08/2018 at 00:48:24
Hugh (#190),

I don't think Steavey (#170, not #161 as you cited) meant that many of our fans were being paid "£7.50" per hour on a 24/7 basis. In the interests of precision of course.

Lenny Jameson
198 Posted 12/08/2018 at 00:54:08
IMr Buckley

I knew it!!!

Sitting in the house reading stupid comments in the papers. Or listening to ridiculous "pundits" like Shearer, Merson and the fuckin kopite mafia.

" I gave him 10/10 and I gave him 7/10." Why? Because some prick on the radio told you he was good? Go to the game and be a proper supporter, for fuck's sake!

And spell your name properly!

Jay Harris
199 Posted 12/08/2018 at 00:54:57
This game didn't go according to the script.

Wolves were supposed to hammer us but instead got a very lucky point courtesy of the referee and a free kick allowed to be taken 10 yards further forward than it should have been.

All the players played well today with perhaps Tosun less effective than he might have been.

Before this game, I was concerned we'd be at the wrong end of the table but I am reassured by the determination and organisation shown today.

Paul Birmingham
200 Posted 12/08/2018 at 00:57:45
First game, let’s stay calm and calmer.

Miles to go, for all at EFC.

Michael Morgan
201 Posted 12/08/2018 at 01:01:45
Steve @170,

You mentioned that we'd spent £300m, it's actually £265.59m. I wouldn't be so pedantic if you were out by say a couple of million, but over £34m is over 10% out.

I'd also like to point out that we actually received £135.25m during the same period, with 3 weeks to still left to sell more.

That's a net spend of £130.34m over our past 3 windows. Liverpool's net spend in just their last transfer window alone was £151.38m.

Si Cooper
202 Posted 12/08/2018 at 01:01:46
Hugh Jenkins (190), only if you are working 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, 52 weeks a year. Are you American, an accountant, or my next boss (probably)?
Nicholas Ryan
203 Posted 12/08/2018 at 01:12:22
Mark my words: There will be plenty of teams who do not get a point at Wolves this season.
Clive Mitchell
204 Posted 12/08/2018 at 01:12:45
Gerry, 69 - "Schneiderlin seems to play the game on his own terms". Perfectly sums up what I feel I see every time he plays. He had a decent game today, and yet you still felt he needed a rocket up him several times.

Not unconnected, isn't it great to have a manager who gives a damn, and who works his socks off to achieve the wins he craves? Let's give him lots of time to get things right.

Will Mabon
205 Posted 12/08/2018 at 01:13:17
We should get into the details more after another half dozen-or-so games, I think. It's early days.

Truth is, there's a 90% chance we would've lost that game under any of last season's managers. We had a genuine attack and we did it with essentially one new player over the line-up of the latter part of last season. That's a positive change.

Something I've not seen mentioned: perhaps Jagielka's sending off was not for the ferocity of the tackle but that the tackle denied a goal-scoring opportunity, since the player had a clear run on goal?

Steavey Buckley
206 Posted 12/08/2018 at 01:17:10
Michael, 170, putting footballing matters into prospective, Spurs have spent nothing this year on transfers. In fact, for a quite a while, have not spent huge amounts of money on transfers since Gareth Bale was sold to Real Madrid. So it is possible to build a good team on a windfall with selective buying from then on. But it does depend on having a manager who knows what he is doing. That lies the problem with Everton in the past.

Yet, ultimately, it is not managers, chairmen, shareholders and players who make a club great, but supporters, who support the team, generation after generation. That's where Everton are lucky to have such supporters, because in the past 30 years, supporters have had little to celebrate.

John Boon
207 Posted 12/08/2018 at 01:22:43
In the all in Buckley Jamesone contest and as a self appointed Ref, Buckley wins by a mile.

Both true Evertonians... ie, always right. Buckley just has more class and experience has to be a factor.

In the last round, Lenny just lost it!!!

Steavey Buckley
208 Posted 12/08/2018 at 01:45:01
John, that raises a smile. Things can't be all that. Can they? Whatever I type about on here, it's because Everton is my football team. And I want the best for them.

You don't choose Everton to be your football club; they choose you.

John Pierce
209 Posted 12/08/2018 at 01:47:27
Things I took from today:

With pace on both wings, we are a genuine threat. Teams have to respect that. That threat doesn't diminish even with 10 men.

I saw Wolves made to attack down the sides, not down the middle. A big thing that in 11 team sports.

If I were Tosun I'd sharpen my act up quickly. Richarlison could easily play centre-forward.

Lenny Jameson
210 Posted 12/08/2018 at 01:49:09
I must apologise to any ex-pat Evertonians who can't get to the game. Or any supporter who was born and lives in another country. I certainly believe that you are fully entitled to express your feelings about our club.

What I can't be doing with, is people from the city, who don't go to the game but constantly complain about everything to do with the club.

Comments like, "I went to the school of hard knocks," where the naughty boys said "Liverpool are magic, Everton are tragic"!!

Jesus! What school was that? St Winifred's School for Crying Bastards?" Evertonians can moan with the best of them, but at least back it up by back actually seeing it for yourself.

Lenny Jameson
211 Posted 12/08/2018 at 02:00:23
Mr Boon
Sorry. I'm a little drunk now but I can't have armchair critics. Things that do my head in:

1.Phil Thompson.
2. Armchair moaners.
3. Kopites with the kit on.
4. Phil Thompson.
5 Things you can't remember cos you've had to much to drink!

Goodnight.

Ashley Roberts
212 Posted 12/08/2018 at 02:36:21
Yes, we are all able to express our opinions on the match and the players but I bet not one of you can complain about the style of football we played today, in contrast to last season. It was like a breath of fresh air and I for one am truly optimistic for the season, which I can say categorically was not the case last season.

Silva brought out the best in a number of players, including Baines and Keane, who I thought had their best games for a long time.

Jamie Crowley
213 Posted 12/08/2018 at 02:50:30
Si @ 194 and Chris @ 192 -

Pickford's distribution can be shambolic at times.

Today was awful.

Now... before I go all "negative Johnny" please know I think Jordan is worth 100 million pounds, as the stupid fuckers across the park paid 72 million for some dude... some dude...yup some obscure dude. Jordan Pickford is a gem and I love the kid to death.

Jordan is young. He'll progress. He's a keeper I'd not trade for any other on the planet - and I mean that. No one else, not a soul. His positional sense and shot stopping are superb.

But he launched 4 balls out of touch today, and he definitely over-cooks many goal kicks. His distribution needs working on! It borders awful at points!

And today - go back and watch - he crushed 4 balls into row AA BB with no pressure or reason to do so.

I love that boy. He's a gem of a keeper. But all young players have elements of their game they need to work on.

Jordan must simply work on his distribution. I thought his World Cup stint with England - where he played out from the back often and wonderfully - would translate to Everton.

It didn't. The kid needs to stop launching balls too far and too left or right. It happens a lot.

John Boon
214 Posted 12/08/2018 at 03:12:43
Lenny. Last of the day.You have a great sense of humour. I don't really care how much you have had to drink you are obviously a great Evertonian. But you must remember that your chosen opponent, Steavey, in this battle of opinions is also a dyed in the wool "Blue". He just won the last round.

As a supporter since 1948, I am obviously going to be on his side. I presume he is closer to my age. As a Senior, I can be judged as either senile or wise. I also think it is great that TW allows Evertonians of every ilk and age to agree to disagree. Humour is a vital part of every Scouser ever born. We are ALL alike. We really do think we know everything. Keep Smiling.

ps: In my case, I do know everything because my wife actually said to me, "You think you know everything", and she wasn't smiling when she said it and she has had to put up with me for 51 years.

Phil Sammon
215 Posted 12/08/2018 at 03:28:01
Jamie 213

Yes! I too love Pickford but I have been complaining about his kicking for a while now.

It’s a complete joke. Once a blue moon he sends out a laser-guided gem. The majority of the time he either boots it out of play or into orbit.

I also detest that both his feet leave the ground when he kicks the ball off the floor. It’s a ridiculously out-of-control technique for someone who’s primary job is to safely clear the ball and relieve pressure.

I’d also argue that I saw plenty of the same with him in an England shirt. He’s a terrific goalkeeper and this is such a basic, easy fix. Just kick the frigging thing normally.

John Pierce
216 Posted 12/08/2018 at 03:29:03
JaC, totally valid assessment of Jordan today.

I might offer some defence for the lad. Wolves did press well in the first half often when it was on his weaker foot.

But sure many of his attempts were lamentable, a couple weeks training under Silva will iron that out.

Davie Turner
217 Posted 12/08/2018 at 04:30:55
Player ratings for me

Pickford 6 - not had a preseason and did ok, kicking was a bit off and could have done better with the first goal

Coleman 7 - good to have Seamus back, good running and solid at the back, wayward pass to Niasse spoilt a good day

Baines 7 - linked up well with Richarlison, some good runs and crosses, time is catching up though, obviously struggling at the end

Jags 4 - Was fine then got sent off. Could be pretty much it for him in the league now, but he'll always have my respect

(Holgate 7 - looked fit played well)

Keane 7 - solid, looked confident and a target at set pieces, competition for places should see him improve hopefully

Gana 7 - did what he does and did it well but a couple of lapses

Morgan 6 - better, but still offloads a 5 yard pass anywhere but forward as soon as he gets it like it a hot potato. He needs to improve his passing or be replaced. But at least he turned up.

Siggy 6 - did ok but was subbed for Holgate after the red card, set pieces not great

Walcott 5 - got into the odd good position but looked off the pace at times and didn't link with Coleman as well as Baines and Richarlison

Richarlison 9 - two well taken goals and always looked our biggest threat. Fell over a bit too easily though at times, still excellent debut

(Digne 6 - late sub, nothing much to say)

Tosun 5 - ever willing but not sure we play to his strengths, deserves a run in the side, Bernard may be good for him

(Niasse 6 - did what he does but ever threatened)

Overall, despite being down to 10 for most of the game we were the better side. The cross for the second equaliser was outstanding from Neves. Still, after a bad pre-season, it was a solid result, and it's good in a way to come away disappointed at two points dropped.

Daniel Lim
218 Posted 12/08/2018 at 04:54:59
Ajay asked a question on the live forum:

"Which one made him real mad. The referee, the media who's so biased against us, or those on the forum that agreed with the red card?" (Something like this, not his exact words...)

For me it's clearly the third one. And some even suggest that the red was for denying the player (faker by the way) a clear goal-scoring opportunity. As if every Everton players should just stand there and do nothing if a Wolves player has any chance of scoring a goal!!!

Terry White
219 Posted 12/08/2018 at 05:00:30
Many criticizing Keane (who I thought had an excellent game overall) for the 2nd goal. Take a look at it again. Neves gets a free cross in without challenge. Holgate is ball watching and loses his man behind him. Keane is caught with Holgate's man in front of him and the scorer behind him. He is looking first to take the forward player and the excellent cross comes in over his head. To me Holgate is more culpable than Keane.
Jamie Crowley
220 Posted 12/08/2018 at 05:05:06
Daniel -

That was never, ever a red card. I posted this elsewhere


Jags got the ball. BEFORE he made contact. It was not, in no way, shape, or form, a "stiff leg studs up" challenge. His leg locked at the end but it wasn't with the intent of injury or violent conduct. He could have never, ever stopped a goal scoring opportunity as the attacker never had control of the ball!

A yellow perhaps. I personally thought it was just a strong, good, clean challenge after a glaring awful first touch.

It seriously pissed me off and I can not understand how anyone thinks that tackle is a straight red.

I'm with you. I've no idea how anyone thinks it's a straight red.

Jerome Shields
221 Posted 12/08/2018 at 05:34:00
Chris (#154).

I accept that Tosun assisted with the two goals and Niasse could have been better, though he was brought late on to a team of 10, but Tosun has to be a constant threat in the position he plays, getting the ball and positioning himself to score.

If he had been playing the same position for Wolves in a similar way Everton would beat them. His assists will be needed less with the introduction of other players.

Can he do the business? That will be the question asked of him.

Darren Hind
222 Posted 12/08/2018 at 06:18:13
I think those hammering Schneiderlin should take another look at that game. He did make mistakes, but it looks - to me at least - like Silva has appointed him to be his spokesman on the pitch.

This was a different Schneiderlin, he was the communicator out there, the conductor; I watched him closely and he talked his teammates through the entire 90 mins. Finally, the silence has been broken. If you were impressed with the improved cohesion and organisation of our two banks, then you should be given credit where it's due.

I thought for all the world that Schneiderlin was finished here, but the new manager clearly has plans for him and may yet get a consistent tune out of him.

Wolves surprised me. They were very shy to come out and have a go. Perhaps they were a little worried about the pace of Walcott and Richarlison. Let's hope so, because if they were, others will be too.

This was perilously close to entertainment. The laptop nearly ended up smashed on the patio when they scored, but overall, I enjoyed the sight of an Everton side going forward looking for goals away from home – even after being reduced to 10 men.

Yes, our young goalie could have maybe taken another step to his left, but that's what happens with young goalies. He's nowhere near his peak so get the fuck over it.

An improvement, but Guys, Tosun...? I'm afraid not.

Ernie Baywood
223 Posted 12/08/2018 at 06:43:12
Just thought I'd watch the Chelsea game... 3 minutes in and a Huddersfield defender committed the exact same challenge. No outcry from the media? No... because no-one cares about that type of challenge if the referee doesn't turn it into an issue for debate.

And that's my issue – the referee made it a talking point and that's not their job. It wouldn't have even been talked about otherwise.

Danny O'Neill
224 Posted 12/08/2018 at 06:51:01
Rather than "as I said on another thread", I've cut and paste:

I saw a player take an awful touch, lose control and then overstretch to compensate for losing the ball in a dangerous position on the pitch.

I don't buy this "got the ball first" thing. That's used as an excuse for bad touch / bad tackle. He potentially could have snapped the player's leg / ankle.

So regardless of whether he "got the ball first", it was a dangerous tackle, which is a foul.

The debate as to whether it was a red is another argument, however it was a demonstration of poor touch & control, which led to a foul, which led to a free kick, which led to a goal.

That's how I saw it.

Brian Porter
225 Posted 12/08/2018 at 07:09:04
Steavey, you say top keepers cost £60-70million. For the last 6 weeks maybe, but when we bought Pickford for around £30 he became the most expensive British keeper in Premier League history, unless I'm much mistaken. Perhaps, in retrospect it could be said that our purchase of Pickford raised the bar when it came to goalkeeper transfer fees.

It's only in the last few weeks that silly prices have been paid for keepers.

Steavey Buckley
226 Posted 12/08/2018 at 07:56:06
Brian, the penny has dropped for many clubs and are now prepared to spend huge amounts of money for top goal-keepers, which makes a lot of sense. The goal-keeper is the last line of defence who can make crucial saves to secure wins and draws. The last best keeper Everton had was Nigel Martyn. IMO.
Michael O'Brien
227 Posted 12/08/2018 at 07:56:41
Steve Buckley, what a load of shite about Pickford... Without a doubt, our best player last season and he helped us not being embarrassed against some sides... Get a grip, man!

Also, keep in mind he hasn't had a pre-season so maybe he wasn't at his peak, he also made a blinder 1 vs 1 save, which kept us in it.

For the first time in a long time, it looked like we had an actual plan... Also, did anyone else notice the pace, accuracy and purpose of our passing? I thought that part alone was a massive improvement over last season, where every second pass seemed to be a giveaway.

The best feeling of that game was the thought that, apart from Richarlison, this was last season's Team and we still have like 4 players that can slot in and hopefully be great and elevate us COYB.

Sam Hoare
228 Posted 12/08/2018 at 08:08:14
Mention it quietly but things are changing. There will be good days and bad days as ever but I believe we’re going to see a team that plays together, that plays good football for the first time in a long while.
Steavey Buckley
229 Posted 12/08/2018 at 08:10:34
Michael, I never said Pickford is a bad goal-keeper. He is just not the best. IMO.

I was surprised to find out Jagielka was allowed to start when Holgate was sitting on the substitutes bench. A decision that probably cost Everton a win yesterday. I personally rate Holgate as a better defender than John Stones.

Everton did play better than usual yesterday because they did have a positive game plan of getting the ball forward as quickly as possible, which can be done when playing a 4-3-3 formation. But the big difference is the form Richarlison. He is one player Everton have to keep fit, because the form of Tosun and Walcott yesterday over shadowed Richarlison's performance. IMO.

Chris James
230 Posted 12/08/2018 at 08:10:37
Just seen MotD and I'm still confused as to how Jagielka's tackle is even a foul never mind a red card. Regardless of what happened before, the situation was that the ball was there to be won and he slid in and took the ball. Yes, he hit the man in the follow through, but how many times does that happen with a tackle?

I'll be VERY interested to watch all sliding tackles this season and see how many are 'controlled' and, if not, are treated in the same way.

To me it's a little like when Niasse got banned for diving retrospectively and then, despite many more flagrant examples elsewhere, not one single player got the same treatment afterwards.

Not saying we're hard done by specifically, but I do think this decision is just wrong.

Chris James
231 Posted 12/08/2018 at 08:13:39
Relatedly the referee clearly said he gave the decision for 'denying a clear goalscoring attempt' NOT 'excessive force', but he clearly took the ball first, so that's basically just an incorrect decision, right?
Paul Kelly
232 Posted 12/08/2018 at 08:19:49
And the winner for “pundit dickhead comment” of the year goes to .,. Shearer, well done you biased cock sucking dip shit!!! It was the right decision? Really? The decision was almost as bad as Jagielka's control!!

Even worse, when one of the most slyist, dirtiest elbowing fuckers pipes up and says, “according to the laws of the game”, according to the laws of the game, half of his goals wouldn't've stood (probably a slight exaggeration) and according to the laws of common sense you should be fucked off from your post as a pundit for being such a twat... and breath.

I don't agree, in case you haven't figured it out.

Steve Jones
233 Posted 12/08/2018 at 08:28:36
The one saving grace about that ‘review' by Shearer was, clearly, that him and Wright had been bitterly arguing about it all day! Enough for Lineker to call time before it kicked off again.

Some justice at least from the idiot media.

Chris James
234 Posted 12/08/2018 at 08:29:15
Unrelatedly RE: BBC punditry, I do think they desperately need a defender there to add balance, having 3 strikers debating decisions is going to lead to pretty predictable bias.
Steve Brown
235 Posted 12/08/2018 at 08:54:12
In the Lenny Jameson v Steavey Buckley debate I back Lenny. Buckley posts negative, illogical nonsense all the time. The latest is that Pickford is not a world class goalkeeper, because he took one step to the right on a free kick. Let's ignore the brilliant one on one block he made against Jimenez wich would have meant we were 2-1 down and a man down. If he is not a world class keeper, then who is?

This was actually a hard-fought result that showed commitment and effort that we would not have demonstrated last season. The defence was strong, particularly Keane and Holgate. Schneiderlin, who I usually slam, worked extremely hard. Baines and Richarlison worked well down the left, Coleman and Walcott less so on the right. Tosun put in a shift for the team. This is before the new signings even join the squad. I am not over-excited but that result gives cause for cautious optimism, particularly with Silva. I had doubts about hiring him, but the loyalty he inspires in players is clear and they buy into his plan.

We played 45 minutes with 10 men and could have won had it not been for the brilliant Neves. So instead of coming on here to carp and criticise in some pathetic effort to prove how clever you are, back the team.

Jon Withey
236 Posted 12/08/2018 at 08:55:28
Saw the highlights, Richarlisons second goal was top drawer – best player we've had since Lukaku.

Dislike Shearer but agree that Pickford could have done better for the free kick – he'll have to start putting up with closer analysis since the World Cup but hopefully he learns from it. He also made a great block so I guess it evens out.

Overall, not a bad start considering our transfer window was a bit last-minute.

Mal van Schaick
237 Posted 12/08/2018 at 09:06:52
Proud of the 10 men that fought for the point. Ref had a Wolves shirt on. With more new signings in the squad to play, we can build on today's performance.

5 BBC pundits tipped Germany to win the World Cup. What do they know? Shearer's comments on the sending off are incorrect, Jagielka's foot was on the floor, he won the ball, the rest is collateral damage. Everton should appeal it.

David Graves
238 Posted 12/08/2018 at 09:21:49

Perhaps the ref could have booked Jagielka rather than send him off and there would have been few complaints from either side. However, to claim that it was a good tackle and that he actually won the ball is crazy. It was a horrible challenge.
Tony Twist
239 Posted 12/08/2018 at 09:25:12
A draw grabbed from the jaws of a win, just poor defending. I think Pickford should have saved both of their goals and I am sure he knows this and will try doubly hard to prevent anything like that next time.

It was a poor mistake by Jags but should have been a booking as he was attempting to get the ball, not take out the man. Good effort from the 10 remaining men but the game was there to win, we need to stop throwing games away.

David Graves
240 Posted 12/08/2018 at 09:30:15
I also thought that Schniederlin had his best game for a while – surprisingly after we went down to 10 men he appeared to step up.

I also thought that Keane played well in a “back to the wall win and clear it” way. But he got caught under the ball for their second. He's poor at defended balls into the box from the flanks and I guess that's why we've bought the two beasts to replace him and Jags.

Darren Hind
241 Posted 12/08/2018 at 09:38:21
Paul K @232

Nice to see you toning it down and being on your best Sunday morning behaviour.

Spot on too!

Brian Williams
242 Posted 12/08/2018 at 09:44:25
Having seen the Jags tackle over and over again at every speed of slo-mo the only question should be was it a foul or not? The outcome wasn't really affected by whether it was a "red card" tackle as Jags was sent off (seemingly) for preventing a goal-scoring opportunity by fouling the player. Had it been in a different area of the pitch, or if the player hadn't been right through on goal then Jags would/should have got a yellow for the "foul" if it was indeed a foul.

If it was a foul, then the ref made the right decision as Jags did, without a doubt, prevent a goal scoring opportunity. Should we appeal it? No, because if it goes through as "preventing a goal-scoring opportunity" then it's just a one-game ban. A game Jags would probably not have been picked for anyway.

As I say the only question really is "was it a foul"?

Dave Ganley
243 Posted 12/08/2018 at 09:45:53
Well said Steve Brown #235, we would definitely have lost that last season. We showed good commitment and team spirit yesterday which has been sadly lacking in recent years allied to the fact that we could have won it too. Harsh red card for Jags even if he did put himself in that situation. It wasn't a horrible challenge as some have said, it was clumsy as he was stretching, no malice in that.

Anyway I shall take that result and performance, we just need to back it up with a decent win next Saturday. Onwards and upwards

Merle Urquart
244 Posted 12/08/2018 at 09:56:52
I thought we handled Wolves quite well, maybe l was expecting more from them and less from us so pleased with a point and a little disappointed at the same time it wasn't three.

I'm not a fan of Jagielka and never have been and it was his own simple miss control that put him in the position but, if that was a sending off, we may as well all pack up and go home. I'm expecting the card to be rescinded on appeal and surprised by some pundits saying the ref was correct.

Richarlison's goal was top-notch.

Len Hawkins
245 Posted 12/08/2018 at 09:59:32
Amazing what a difference "playing for the manager" makes, doesn't it get your saliva glands going for the new signings coming in when he gets the old guard playing like that. I think Richarlieson and Bernard are getting the road fixed for the most wonderful ride Evertonians have been on for the last 30 years.


Can Negativity not be banned from this site.

Andy Meighan
246 Posted 12/08/2018 at 10:11:44
I was excited when we signed him and I'm absolutely convinced that this lad Richarlison is going to be brilliant for us. Johnny on the spot for the 1st and made the 2nd look effortless. A snip at £40 mil and I'm not one for throwing superlatives about.

We might lose some games but we are going to be good to watch. That's with 10 men for 50 minutes... I'm happy with that.

Neil Cremin
247 Posted 12/08/2018 at 10:28:21
Is it just me but should Pickford not have claimed the cross for the second goal. It was within the six yard box which should be dominated by the goalkeeper, particulary when there was a backs to the wall onslaught at the end. Heroics from World Cup aside, he needs to take command of crosses into the box before he can start giving out to the defenders in front of him.
Martin Berry
248 Posted 12/08/2018 at 10:34:02
A marker has been set already, the team will only get better as Marco works his plan, and the new signings come in and make their mark.
Very encouraging and I think were in for some exciting times.
Merle Urquart
249 Posted 12/08/2018 at 10:36:21
Len, l love the negativity, if we never had it every post would be rosy whilst situations would rot from within, like 70's soviet state news reporting record production from the glorious workers whilst the shops remained perennially empty.

So with that in mind, Schneiderlin might have been ok and l mean just ok which makes it his best game in a year but on pure principle l would not have this poisonous individual stealing a living from this club, he is the epitamy of today's self entitled footballer (the only thing missing seems to be an armful of tattoos) the training episode with Mirallas should have been the last time he ever wore an Everton shirt. As a senior professional taking on the manager in full view of the team what damage has this done to the younger players and the effect on the performances last season. I just don't think this should be written off and the slate wiped clean, there are other players who deserve an opportunity to displace this nothing special average joe plodder.

I feel better now, negativity, you can't beat it

Laurie Hartley
250 Posted 12/08/2018 at 10:50:44
I have watched the whole recording of the game and would say from what I saw, Wolves will win more games than they loose this season. They have got some good players.

I thought we were terrific. If we had lost that lead and a man in any of the last 3 or 4 seasons we would have been battered. It seems that Silva has won them over and got them playing for him and the shirt.

Walcott has not had much game time pre season - when he gets to full fitness we are going to be a real threat from both flanks. Tosun fluffed his lines a couple of times today. He provided a beautiful pass for Richarlison to run on to into the box and score. He should have done the same for Walcott on at least one occasion. Those partnership will develop over the next few games.

It looks to me like we have got a football team with a heart again and a manager that plays to win. Things are looking up.

Andy Osborne
251 Posted 12/08/2018 at 11:02:48
I'll admit I haven't read the whole thread. I saw a couple of comments about people living overseas and not being able to get to games vs people that live locally and not going to games. Inferring that some people have more or less "right" to post their opinion. ALL Evertonians have the right to their opinions and the right to post...simple. Someone earlier said "You don't choose Everton, Everton chooses you". That's correct. Why would any sane person "choose" to be an Evertonian? Why subscribe to the frustrations, disappointments, false dawns etc." It's because we don't choose it, we are chosen.
I was chosen (by my Dad) on 13th September 1975. Everton vs Newcastle. 3-0, Latchford, Lyons, Clements. From that moment on, I knew.
As a quick aside, I live in Perth, Australia now, so does Mick Lyons. I am heavily involved in local football here, and so is he. I might get to meet him (one of my boyhood hero's) in the next few weeks. I am 52, and I am nervous! If that happens, I may post a small article here to let you know how he is doing.
Back to this post. I have done my job, I have passed on the legacy to my three sons (none of whom were born in the UK.) They are all mad Evertonians, they were chosen (by me!)
We watch all the games at stupid hours in the morning, we watch the highlights about 20 times, we talk about the game, the players, the manager, the hopes.
This is our opinion.
There was more energy and tempo in last nights game than the whole of last season put together. All of the players played better than they did last season, Keane and Schneidersite included. We were the better team with 11 men, we were the better team with 10 men. A few errors cost us the three points, but that was last seasons line up and we have 5 new signings that will probably be "starting 11 players" still to come in. The competition for places is now very healthy, with competition in every position. We saw a team play for their manager last night and play for their places. It was very nice to see.
Richarlison is the real deal. He looks like a proper player, he worries defenses. Yes he fell over a bit too much last night, but the free kick he earned on the left resulted in his first goal. Those kind of set pieces will be a major source of goals this season.
My boys and I want our team to win titles and trophies, but right now we are happy to see players playing with effort and desire, playing exciting football, and playing to entertain. If we carry on doing that, the titles and trophies will come. (Maybe with a little financial help from Usmanov!)
After a disappointing pre-season, we are very excited after last nights game. Is this another "false dawn", my boys are still young and they have experienced three already. The consensus was that this time, it is the real thing.
I am happy to say, that a few years ago, a few months into Silva's tenure at Hull, I said to my boys, "watch this guy, he is going places." I am glad the place he went was Everton.
Paul Kelly
252 Posted 12/08/2018 at 11:19:01
Darren @242, cheers mate, you want to hear me when I’m wound up!!

David Graves @238, sorry, but, everything you say, I disagree with, not even a yellow, he wins the ball, the fact he caught the the fellas ankle afterwards is inconsequential, the ball goes the opposite direction their player was running, Jagielka gets the ball!! How is it a foul?

Contact sport? don’t make me laugh, the modern game is becoming a joke, ruined by beauts without common sense.

Paul Kelly
253 Posted 12/08/2018 at 11:30:14
Flicking through this thread, people going on about Jageilka’s challenge as being rash or ill timed or whatever, really? Ever played the game?

It was a perfect challenge (won the ball and got the player too!!), the ref’ should be banned, or at least tarred and feathered. Ridiculous decision. Platini will be happy, but as anyone really liked that bung eating French gobshite anyway? Every time a challenge like that gets punished an angel in my heaven loses its wings.

Rant over, (for ten mins at least).

Paul Tran
254 Posted 12/08/2018 at 11:33:12
That was a promising start. Looked interested, energetic and organised. With ten men, we looked the better side and kept going for a third.

Richarlison oozed class and worked his socks off. I thought Schneiderlin & Keane played well. He lost man and ball for the goal, but the real problem was the time and space their guy had to cross it. That is happening too often and has to stop.

With the added defensive height & strength and extra class to come from midfield, I'm optimistic.

The best thing about yesterday was how we moved on and put that poor decision behind us. We carried on being the better team with a man down.

Gary Mortimer
255 Posted 12/08/2018 at 11:40:49
Paul @252. I agree. If the ref had sent Jags off for a reckless tackle using excessive force then it would have been a useless decision but believable as most ref's have no idea of when a tackler is going in to take the ball or the player. As he said it was for denying a goal scoring opportunity it shows that he has no idea whatsoever, Jags got enough of the ball to send it back up the pitch away from danger.

How may players from other teams will be sent off in similar circumstances this season? Not many I predict.

Paul Tran
256 Posted 12/08/2018 at 11:44:54
Odds for us to finish above Wolves now 4/9. The value's gone.
Andrew Edwards
257 Posted 12/08/2018 at 11:45:29
I was at the game and I thought we did well but early days though,Amazing away support as usual, Schneiderlin was ok, kept it simple, Wonder when everyone is up to speed where Sigurdsson will fit in? though he was poor yesterday, Could he be reinvented into a Schneiderlin type role? Collecting the ball of the center backs/keeper, he would be more positive and is even slightly quicker!! slightly
Jamie Evans
258 Posted 12/08/2018 at 11:49:24
An enjoyable performance by our team. Take a bow Mr Silva and therefore also Mr Ferns.

An equally enjoyable thread. Take a bow Mr Jameson.

Onwards and upwards Evertonians.

Dave Williams
259 Posted 12/08/2018 at 11:52:28
Siggy is going to be an interesting one. If Bernard plays well then Siggy’s place will surely be under pressure. He was anonymous yesterday hence no doubt why he was the one to be pulled. Theo was also very quiet though he does need games after his injury. I though t Keane was excellent and not to blame for their goal- he was in the right area but the cross was perfection and maybe Blaine could have helped him but basically it was a good goal.
Both full backs were decent albeit neither looks quite as sharp as they did at their peak- Seamus to me has lost half a yard but is still a top player whilst Baines showed he is far from finished. Tosun worked like a dog with very little support from Theo or Siggy whilst Richie showe Merson what a complete imbecile he is.
I have worn my EFC rain jacket with pride today which is the first time in a long time.
More of the same please boys!
Derek Knox
260 Posted 12/08/2018 at 11:55:06
I have refrained from posting after the game, because I was so wound up over the Jagielka dismissal, the wrongly placed free kick, and many other unchecked incidents by the so-called referee.

Having calmed down considerably, I am really glad the fighting spirit and never say die attitude appears to have returned to the team. I sincerely hope this is just the start of something, that has been sorely missed for too long.

It is also encouraging to think, that we have, hopefully stronger players waiting in the wings, who will only make us better. The so called pundits of both Sky and the BBC are hopefully choking on their words, that we grossly overpaid for Richarlison.

What a gem of a young player, who will only get better, as he becomes more familiar with both the players around him and also the traditions of Everton.

Without being too specific I thought most played well yesterday, okay after the reduction to ten men, there was a different pattern, I thought Walcott and Tosun were very quiet, I still fail to see what Schneiderlin gives us, and feel he is preventing someone who may care from playing.

It is only the first game of the new season, one where we were largely expected to draw or lose with eleven men, but we nearly upset the apple cart, had we finished with a full compliment, a win would surely have been the outcome.

Tom Bowers
261 Posted 12/08/2018 at 12:01:46
It was galling to see such ineptitude already by match officials which may have cost Everton three points.

Going in at half-time with a lead is sometmes a great psychological boost.That extra distance might have made the difference to the Neves free kick.

Still, a good result in the face of adversity away from home and Rich Charlie's Son is a gem.
Kudos to Silva on that one.

John Malone
262 Posted 12/08/2018 at 12:06:11
Derek 260, I agree with everything you said there mate.

If walcott would have been slid in by Ricahrlison first half and Tosun in the second I have no doubt the outcome would have been different yesterday.

There was lot of encouraging sign’s in yesterday’s performance the only major let down for me in that team is Schneiderlin his attitude stink’s he is so half hearted it us unvelievable and I get the impression his team mate’s recognise and resent it.

Holgate was screaming at him as he walked away after Wolves’ equaliser because he sat in rather than close his man down. I’ve also seen Jag’s having a go at him in pre season for letting his man go at set pieces, the guy obviously hasn’t got the spirit to play for us hopefully Gomes will be a decent player and do a better job but report’s from Spain suggest otherwise.

I’m counting the day’s until James McCarthy is fit!

George Cumiskey
263 Posted 12/08/2018 at 12:07:47
That was a great point yesterday seeing as we were carrying a few passengers in Tosun, Walcott and Siggy.
I thought Holgate played really well when he came on.
Brian Williams
264 Posted 12/08/2018 at 12:14:25
I think the only relevant question regarding the Jags sending off is "was it a foul"? If it was a foul, then the sending off is justified as I believe he was sent off for "preventing a goal scoring opportunity," which he undoubtedly did.

I think the ref was influenced by a couple of things: Jags had lost control of the ball and the ref saw "in his mind anyway" someone lunge "out of control" to make up for a bad error and instantly thought "foul".

Secondly the Oscar-winning attacker who rolled and rolled, and not just rolled but jumped after his first roll, influenced the ref. Refs should be knowledgeable enough to know that, when a player is truly hurt they don't roll like that with so much theatrics, you just don't. If you're really hurt, you go down like a bag of shite and you don't move through pain and fear of exacerbating the injury. IMO.

So, if it was a foul – good decision. If it wasn't – poor decision.

Paul Kelly
265 Posted 12/08/2018 at 12:14:42
Gary @255 “ As he said it was for denying a goal scoring opportunity it shows that he has no idea whatsoever,”

You couldn’t make it up could you mate? The fact the ref has come out and stated that makes me want to cry! How do these idiots get put in charge of a match,? every tackle a defender wins will be “ denying a goal scoring opportunity “ if the attacker is on goal. You couldn’t make it up, but the idiot will get away with it, 100%, and we’ll be the only ones who suffer the consequences. Apart from the few on here who can’t see the woods for the trees.

Derek Knox
267 Posted 12/08/2018 at 12:34:05
Tom @261, unfortunately I was not at the game yesterday, and my attempts to watch it via streaming were constantly interrupted.

However having watched the replays, although it is difficult to pinpoint, I saw no evidence of the referee, marking the spot ( 5-6 yards further forward) with his spray and pacing the 10 yards.

It may be because of my poor broadcast, I missed it, could you, or anyone for that matter, clarify if that was the case?

It beggars belief when some officials, will insist on the ball being replaced if it is moved an inch off position, when others can be 5-6 yards out and not seem to notice!

David Hallwood
268 Posted 12/08/2018 at 12:44:21
Lots of plus points yesterday. We didn't collapse because of a set back as we did shamefully too many times last season, also our shape was terrific given that we were 1 down.

Sneiderlin played well but I think there's still that dynamism missing from his game that I think is vital for a CM, the ability to carry the ball 10-20 yards further up the pitch.

Negatives: the officials, and some people wonder why we didn't have any officials in the world cup. As other posters have commented, the goon came out and said it was for denying a goal scoring opportunity. Will there be any action or criticism from the FA? GTF!


Jay Wood
[BRZ]

269 Posted 12/08/2018 at 12:44:34
I'm pleased to see a lot of support and sympathy for Jags.

It was not a poor pass from Keane to Jags, as I've seen one poster describe it. It was poor control and touch by Jags that created the situation that led to his sending off.

Jags is as honest as the day is long and he won't need anyone telling him this. We will see the recovery tackle he made scores of times this season and many of them will not even gain a free kick, merit a yellow card, least of all a red card.

The yardage they gained at the free kick makes all the difference to the odds of a goal being scored from that distance. I am quite sure the coaches will be reviewing that snippet with the squad in the coming days and drilling into them the need to contest such gamemanship by the opposition and incompetence by the referee.

As for calls saying Jags shouldn't have even started the game, this blithely ignores the following:

1) Mina and Kouma had signed less than 48 hours and 24 hours earlier. One of them wasn't even in the country. The other hasn't yet arrived on Merseyside. They were NEVER going to play.

2) That leaves the likes of Holgate, Pennington or Feeney as Jags' possible replacement. Pennington is a good lad, but maybe not PL class. Feeney, still unproven at this level.

Holgate, I am very hopeful he can have a serious career at Everton. BUT!!! He has played virtually no part in the pre-season games, suffering from Achilles tendonitis since the Austrian training camp. The management were well aware of this and rather than risk him from the start, were sensibly cautionary and had him on the bench.

Circumstances dictated he was needed earlier than anticipated and played more minutes than was perhaps desirable, but he was fine. Even though he played only 50 minutes, I'll wager Mason feels a little stiff this morning.

Too much simple Football Manager selections from some posters on here at times which fail to take into consideration all relevant factors.

Rob Halligan
270 Posted 12/08/2018 at 12:46:24
Derek, I was there yesterday and we all said at the time the ball was about 4 or 5 yards further forward from where the tackle occurred.
It looks like the free kick was taken from where the wolves player finally finished his rolling.
Jay Wood
[BRZ]

271 Posted 12/08/2018 at 12:51:07
Rob, pity the Wolves player didn't roll that wee bit further into the penalty area so the ref could give a pen.

Jordan would've saved that!

Derek Knox
272 Posted 12/08/2018 at 13:00:02
Thanks Rob, with regards to the antics of the Wolves player, he no doubt influenced the referee, into making an incorrect series of decisions.

He also made a miraculous recovery once the sending off and free kick had been given.

I believe there are representatives from the Vatican and Lourdes, trying to contact the Wolves physios, as to how they performed the aforementioned 'miracle' without any apparitions or a drop of Holy Water in sight.

Julian Exshaw
273 Posted 12/08/2018 at 13:05:54
I mentioned on the Live Forum that I like this Everton side much more than Allardyce's version. There was a togetherness and energy that was great to see. What's more, there's a belief in the future now (without getting carried away, it is very early days). As for the red card don't get me started. For me it was ball first, panicky ref and 'Neymaresque' antics by the Wolves player. Can't wait for next weekend already!!
Rob Halligan
274 Posted 12/08/2018 at 13:25:39
The funniest thing about the rolling by the wolves player was the final roll, which also included a spring like jump into mid air, before finally settling on the edge of the D. As Derek says, he makes a miraculous recovery after walking off the pitch without the slightest hint of any injury.
Phil (Kelsall) Roberts
275 Posted 12/08/2018 at 14:07:01
With regard to the incorrect placement of the free kick.

There was one player who vehemently questioned the spot of the foul - Richarlison. He was pointing to Poor-son where the foul occurred. But as he needed an interpreter for his post match interview then we can only assume that Poor-son did not understand the Portuguese for "Ref, you blind stupid idiot, the foul was all the way back there"

Phil (Kelsall) Roberts
276 Posted 12/08/2018 at 14:10:18
Can I also add - won't it be wonderful if Richarlison is the Mo Salah of 2018-19?
David Graves
277 Posted 12/08/2018 at 14:28:43
Paul Kelly I think you need to have another look. Jags wins the ball with his leading foot? Not a chance. His right foot misses the ball and makes contact with the Wolves player above the ankle. A clear foul.
Chris Corn
278 Posted 12/08/2018 at 14:40:48
Suppose if there's an argument for bedding your new signings in slowly, then it's West Ham. They look a shambles .
Gary Mortimer
279 Posted 12/08/2018 at 14:45:16
If there is anyone who has any doubt that BBC Sport is controlled by Liverpool FC Fan Club, the following comment has just been chosen to be included in the live update page "LEE: West Ham look like this season's Everton. Spend loads of money but somehow look worse for it."

There is no reason for that to be displayed other than to take a very cheap dig at Everton.

They call us bitter!

Roy Steel
281 Posted 12/08/2018 at 15:11:58
I can't get all this "Keane was brill" patter, he was only slightly less piss than he normally is. he cost us 2 invaluable points with the second goal. Liability, get rid.
Barry Connor
282 Posted 12/08/2018 at 15:18:00
Gary (#279);
You're probably right, although the actual observation about mega spending last year making us worse isn't too far from the truth!
Jim Wilson
283 Posted 12/08/2018 at 15:29:11
Good start. Disgraceful red card. Jags, bad control — one of those things that happens early doors; nothing to do with his age.

To do so well with 10 men for so long is a real credit to the team.

Brent Stephens
284 Posted 12/08/2018 at 15:39:12
And still there are tickets on sale for the first home game. I'm really surprised at that. A new season, first home game; a new and exciting manager and DoF; a shed-load of quality signings.

It does raise questions about the ideal capacity for a new stadium.

Rob Halligan
285 Posted 12/08/2018 at 15:45:54
Still six days to go Brent. Next week will be a sell out. The only tickets left are probably the upper bullens away section, as Southampton didn't take their full allocation.
Dave Abrahams
286 Posted 12/08/2018 at 15:49:16
Andy (#251), if you meet Mick Lyons, don't for a second be nervous, just think to yourself that you will be meeting a down-to-earth genuine Scouser, because that is what Mick is. He'll be made up to meet another Bluenose like himself and you'll both enjoy the time you spend together. Don't forget to give us a report if you meet.
David Barks
287 Posted 12/08/2018 at 15:50:17
No it doesn’t Brent. Unless you’re suggesting we should be looking at a smaller stadium than we have now?
Mike Gaynes
288 Posted 12/08/2018 at 15:50:30
Hey Rob, saw you on TV!
Merle Urquart
289 Posted 12/08/2018 at 15:54:13
Just been on the official site and only Huddersfield at home are available... it looks like they haven't updated the status to sell out yet
Rob Halligan
290 Posted 12/08/2018 at 15:56:06
I believe so Mike. Not the first time I've been spotted. Hope I was behaving? 😨😨
Brent Stephens
291 Posted 12/08/2018 at 16:06:15
Yes, it does, David – cos I just raised it! Seriously, my point doesn't have to be about having a capacity lower than at GP - who would even suggest that? My point is about the suggestions that some have made about a capacity at the new place of in excess of 60k.

Rob, I think you're right, they probably will sell out, but if it's in the last week then it does raise questions in my mind of what the current and latent demand is out there.

Rob, I hope TV didn't show those garish shorts I saw you in yesterday. Or those legs.

Brent Stephens
292 Posted 12/08/2018 at 16:08:37
Yes, Merle, I guess the website needs updating.
Derek Knox
293 Posted 12/08/2018 at 16:29:29
Brent @291, thanks for clarifying the issue about Rob's wardrobe, whilst making his brief appearance on TV.

I personally thought it was a tutu, but the picture was a little 'frilly and fuzzy' at that particular instance. 😂😉

Brent Stephens
294 Posted 12/08/2018 at 16:35:49
Derek, Rob's shorts were the sort you'd wear as camouflage in the jungle.
Jay Wood
[BRZ]

295 Posted 12/08/2018 at 16:38:13
Rob, in shorts, showing up as 'frilly and fuzzy'.

Just WHAT was on display yesterday???!!!

At least the clikky against Durham is going a bit better today, Rob. Lancs struggled to 143-6 in our 20 overs, but we are ripping them a new one in their innings - currently 4-4 in the first 4 overs! England going well at Lords as well.

Derek Knox
296 Posted 12/08/2018 at 16:38:57
Brent, which jungle, I thought he was attending a Football Match?
Mike Gaynes
297 Posted 12/08/2018 at 16:42:31
Rob, you were a "presence" among the traveling Blues.

But if Brent's eyewitness account of your wardrobe is correct, I'm glad we only saw your "upside".

Brent Stephens
298 Posted 12/08/2018 at 16:42:35
Derek I saw him at Crewe station - bit of a jungle environment to me, is Crewe.
Raymond Fox
300 Posted 12/08/2018 at 17:13:57
The dangerous tackle rule seems a very grey area, at least to me it does. That tackle and similar ones could be judged either yellow or red and it was yellow in my admittedly blue eyes.
Then the ref let them take it about 7 yards too close to our goal, whats the linesmen doing as well. That probably was the difference between Pickford saving it or not.
The ref should be punished in some way for where the free kick was taken.

I was encouraged by the display though, I thought they all played well which argues well for the future. I think even a point could turn out to be a decent result at Wolves.

Stephen Davies
301 Posted 12/08/2018 at 17:28:12
Gary 279
It was a comment from a fan in a fan comment section.
I don't think there was any bias by BBC employees what do you see thats offensive or inappropriate with that comment that would mean it ( and other similar comments from fans) to be banned?
Andy Finigan
302 Posted 12/08/2018 at 17:40:02
There is another example Kevin De Bryune just caught the Arsenal player studs up never even made contact with the ball, no foul! Explain that.
Geoffrey Williams
303 Posted 12/08/2018 at 18:28:46
I don't believe it was a foul and neither did Jagielka who was genuinely taken aback by the referee blowing up for a foul. The disbelief on his face when the red card appeared told me everything.

Show any serious tackle in slow motion then it will look like a red card situation.

Ray Roche
304 Posted 12/08/2018 at 18:48:56
David Graves @277

''His right foot misses the ball.''

Please explain why the ball changes direction to the direction that it would have gone had it been kicked by Jags foot. Which you state doesn't happen.

James Flynn
305 Posted 12/08/2018 at 19:17:44
Silva's view of it:

“No no no. It was no foul. Looks like no foul, no foul. Then why is it a red card? It's not a foul, it's not a red card. Not yellow, not red card.

“Until the red card, they did not have one chance to score, that's the truth. It was a harsh, harsh decision. Looks like no fault, was no foul, and of course not a red card. Not really a right decision by the ref at that moment.”

Neil Copeland
306 Posted 12/08/2018 at 19:59:47
I don't think I am alone in stating that I am really confused about Jags sending off. To me, he won the ball, albeit through an aggressive challenge but what is he meant to do? Is a defender expected to pull out of a ball-winning challenge in case he cannot control the resulting slide into his opponent? When I was playing you were likely to pick up an injury by pulling out of a challenge – either that or you would get a slap from one of your teammates for being a tart (sorry, ladies).

My point is mainly that Jags clearly went after the ball and not the man; he slid in, yes, but he kept low and, although the challenge was strong, I didn't think it was dangerous. Have the rules of the game changed such that you cannot tackle your opponent if there is contact with him on the follow through? If so, that is just plain fucking daft.

Marcus Leigh
307 Posted 12/08/2018 at 20:05:08
Over the course of most seasons I do believe that these things have a strange way of levelling themselves out.

Yes, in slo-mo Jag's lunge yesterday seemed rash, but equally the red card seemed harsh; and yes, Ruben Neves's free kick, superbly put away as it was, was taken about three-quarters of a mile ahead of where the actual incident occurred. But I have no doubt that somewhere down the line we'll get the rub of the green on a similar incident.

However, I really do not see the point in indulging in this kind of bollocks" where pundits take into account every real or perceived injustice, and then correct the league table accordingly.

As George Orwell wrote in his novel, 1984, 'He who controls the present controls the past'. Hopefully the current obsession with stats and VAR won't mean that the past gets rewritten at the end of every season.

Ray Smith
308 Posted 12/08/2018 at 23:39:39
Brent 284 Rob 285

Never mind a sell out, I haven't got my season ticket yet!

I emailed and was told they were being sent out in batches!

Anyone else still waiting?

New era is fine, however, if they can't get the season tickets out one week before our first home game, what's going on!!!!

Rob Halligan
309 Posted 12/08/2018 at 00:03:54
Brent, I was like a drowned rat walking back to the station at Wolverhampton. Them shorts weighed a bloody ton by then. Held enough water to prevent a hosepipe ban. Boss pair of shorts though, especially when you have a phone, wallet, glasses case and loose change to carry. Pockets everywhere.👍👍👍

Ray, I got my season ticket yesterday, so you should get yours any day now.

Justin Doone
310 Posted 13/08/2018 at 02:44:45
I didn't need convincing but Richarlisonis a superstar. His work rate matches his talent, both of the highest order.

This is my problem with Schneiderlin. A large section of fans think he played well but he offers so little. If by playing well you mean not making too many mistakes, then I'd bring on an 18-year-old. He should never be ahead of Gana as the defensive / holding midfielder as he's just not fast, energetic or a good enough tackler.

We need a distributor and link-up player. To take the ball from a defender and turn it into attack. Schneiderlin is not good enough for the Premier League. He only ever passes backwards and sideways when not under pressure or simply gives the ball away. Gomes is class and can hopefully come and run the midfield with his sharper passing and ability to go forward with the ball.

Generally, I thought we played well and I agree, I thought it was a good tackle by Jags; the replay confirms it was a good clean meaty tackle.

We must appeal the decision and, if nothing else, we should get complete clarity on what the ref think he saw was wrong with it to help clear up similar instances in the future.

If it meant being unfairly punished would lead to improved more consistent decisions, then I'd accept it – but we all know it won't. Rules need to be simplified so there is more agreement, eg, if a defender over-stretches for a tackle, it is considered dangerous, then state that. But then clarify what is 'over-stretching' and in what circumstances, ie, 50:50 tackles.

I don't want VAR because you get idiots on the review panel who think it was a deserved red card. What I want is consistency and VAR doesn't bring it. It's about clarifying and simplifying the rules.

In the World Cup, there were inconsistent handball calls, wrestling in the box calls, and players diving that didn't get booked. Either use VAR for all penalty box decisions, or to retrospectively ban players, or don't bother.

Justin Doone
311 Posted 13/08/2018 at 04:35:41
Yes I know we don't have VAR yet just pointing out it's people's opinions and seconding guessing what the rules are that cause confusion.
Simple rules, simple explanations will help clear up misunderstandings and hopefully lead to less errors and more consistent decisions.
What are the chances a similar tackle against us will go unpublished next week.
We must appeal!
Ajay Gopal
312 Posted 13/08/2018 at 05:53:10
For those calling for 3 of our Back 4 to be replaced for next week’s match, not going to happen. Baines was excellent and so were Keane and Holgate. Zouma, Digne and Mina should be made to fight for their places. Just because they walked in from Barc or Chelsea should not mean an automatic starting place.

Next week starting XI:

Pickford
Coleman Holgate Keane Baines
Gueye Schneiderlin
Walcott Siggy Richy
Tosun

Subs: Stek, Mina, Digne, Davies, Bernard, Lookman, Niasse

Digne to replace Baines after 60 mins
Lookman to replace Walcott after 60 mins
Bernard to replace Schneiderlin 80th minute

Gavin Johnson
313 Posted 13/08/2018 at 06:15:11
Ajay - I agree, but it depends on Holgates fitness, otherwise I'd partner Keane with Zouma rather than Mina as he knows the league and should hit the ground running. I think Mina, Bernard and Gomes will need a few weeks to acclimatise before being thrown into the action.

The Incredible Sulk (Lookman) might not be on the bench. Looks like he was dropped from the squad on Sat for spitting his dummy out after Silva told the press that he won't be going anywhere.

Tony Everan
314 Posted 13/08/2018 at 08:01:46
I thought Jags’ body language after the challenge was weak. A Chelsea or Man Utd player would be gesticulating “ I won the bail, I won the ball” And so would his teammates.

But while the ref was making his mind up Jags is walking away with his hands on his head. Tantamount to an admission of guilt. Inviting the red card .

Gary Russell
315 Posted 13/08/2018 at 08:06:00
Can't really change a person's disposition or personality Tony. Jag is a nice guy and we need meanies. As mentioned on another thread, the players need to be reminded to stay focused on everything happening on the pitch and maybe in the future, the ref's cock up with the distance wont happen again.
Ray Smith
316 Posted 13/08/2018 at 08:11:04
Rob 309

Thanks for update.

Perhaps they are doing it alphabetically. Joys of being Smith, always two thirds the way down any list.

COYB

James Marshall
317 Posted 13/08/2018 at 10:12:34
Jags almost broke the kids leg - red card all day. Ref got it right, Pickford made a mistake for the free kick, we drew the game with 10 men.

A decent result away from home with 10 men for 50 minutes.

That's the simple answer to all of this.

Michael Lynch
318 Posted 13/08/2018 at 10:31:50
Good tackle by Jags, no foul. Free kick was moved five yards forward, no goal. Wolves were shite, we deserved to win, we're probably going to win the league.

That's the simple answer to all of this.

Daniel Lim
319 Posted 13/08/2018 at 10:34:08
Yes, Michale 318. Especially the last part!!!
James Marshall
320 Posted 13/08/2018 at 10:43:03
Michael - opinions, yes, viewpoints, yes. Right or wrong? See interpretation of current laws. Nobody is going to be right or wrong, even with VAR as we saw in the World Cup.

Your view is equally as valid as mine. Neither of us is right or wrong, or we argue the toss till we're blue in the face. The referee agrees with me, but again is he right or wrong? Well, neither.

James Marshall
321 Posted 13/08/2018 at 10:44:31
BTW you're entirely right about the free kick being moved forward. You can also counter that by making the point that Pickford made a mistake in taking a step to his right before the failed save.

So many factors.

Michael Lynch
322 Posted 13/08/2018 at 10:44:56
You're absolutely right James. And wrong at the same time. The most important thing is my fucking season ticket hasn't arrived yet and I'm worried I might miss the first home game of our title-winning season. Bloody Everton.
James Marshall
323 Posted 13/08/2018 at 10:54:19
No, I'm neither right or wrong. I'm just interpreting what I saw one way or the other. There is no right or wrong, only an interpretation.

None of this matters since we're going to win the league anyway..

Rob Halligan
324 Posted 13/08/2018 at 11:37:44
James, you're talking bollocks, and Michael is right.

There again, maybe you're right and Michael is talking bollocks. To be fair, don't know if I'm talking bollocks or not?

You're both right though. We're gonna win the league!!

COYB. FTRS.

Rob Halligan
325 Posted 13/08/2018 at 11:39:04
Got my season ticket by the way!!
Dave Richman
326 Posted 13/08/2018 at 15:05:47
Link

At the time I thought it was a terrible decision. The pic at the top of the page of this link shows the moment of impact, and you have to admit that it does look really bad.

Mick Davies
328 Posted 13/08/2018 at 15:38:53
In defence (pardon the pun) of Pickfordd, he'd just seen his skipper and central defender sent off, was left to ponder if the wall was good enough without Jagielka's organisation, and had only just come back from a break to play his first game since the World Cup.

He wasn't confident in his defender's and that's why he was hesitating. Fast forward to half a dozen matches and a new settled defence, and we'll see the best of him again

Julian Wait
329 Posted 13/08/2018 at 19:47:50
FYI, BBC correspondent (former forward) Garth Crooks saying it was at best a yellow card here:

This was an impressive debut for Richarlison, and if the referee hadn't got over-excited, Everton would have won their fixture against Wolves.

I said in this column last season that Premier League referees were becoming unpopular due to their over officiousness. If you want to know why Premier League referees were not invited by Fifa to the World Cup, then evidence is provided by the decision by Craig Pawson to send off Phil Jagielka, for what was at best a bookable offence.

Robert Workman
330 Posted 15/08/2018 at 17:21:41
Bit late to comment. Just back from Portugal. Watched the game in a Porto cafe, alongside 2 Burnley fans. So no bias there. They both agreed that Jagielja's tackle was not a foul. They also agreed that Everton deserved to win and dominated after going down to 10 men. They didn't see anything from Wolves.

As I left the cafe I, rather generously, informed them that we would do the double over them this season (they expect Burnley to be relegated once Dyche is snapped up by first failing Premier League team, or to finish 14th or 15th if he stays – such optimism!). I also commented as I passed the cafe owner "Everton 2-2 Portugal". He just smiled.

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