A Mickey Mouse performance dumps Blues out of the Carabao Cup

Hopefully Everton can keep in the competition for a while to get them match practice.

I wonder if Tim was a Wolves Fan or they are a sworn enemy (Villa, WBA or Brum) hope he plays better than he has been doing! Good to see the Dibbler starting too.

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Plus why the best 11 at home for Mansfield if this isn't a priority?

Don’t tell me he is injured already?

Caught the Everton curse less than a month in lol

We want to start the same players that just played a few days ago in a tough match?

The whole point of having a deeper squad is being able to rotate players and prevent possible injuries. We finally have a decent group of players that can give the other players a break and still put out a good squad for the first time since I don't know when.

I for one am perfectly fine with what we're putting out there tonight based on what we've had in years past.

A few? He’s made seven changes! Only a few remain.

7 changes but at least the bench looks strong. Big night for Barry to try and grab his chance up front.

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Moyes deserves criticism because he’s managed his squad very poorly recently, leaving tired players on the pitch to fail to get a result and allowing others to atrophy and lose match sharpness on the bench.

So yes, he’s got it wrong in both ways so will get criticism whatever happens. Let’s hope these lads can get something done, or at least the regulars can change the game from the bench.

Or this game -- and this trophy --- could be toast.

So Moyes throws together a midfield who’ve never played together before and guess what happens? They look clueless. No coordination and nerves spreading. That header from Tim was special and not in a good way. McNeil literally has done nothing. Dibbling looks like he’s waiting for balls to come his way that never arrive. Charlie does the odd Roy of the Rovers surging run but little else. Barry reminding of me of Anichebe, no control and lots of petulant whining.

We could have just started with our inform first 11 and already have buried these clowns. Luckily they’re complete crap so we still have a chance.

I've enjoyed seeing those little moments from Dibling but he's not really demanding the ball enough. McNeil looks rusty. Alcaraz doing ok.

Really feels like Barry needs something. Looking a bit forlorn. He can't even get a throw in at this point.

Almost sad to see Coleman looking so far off the pace.

1 change?!

McNeill, completely anonymous and contributed nothing. Off for Grealish.

Alcaraz, few decent moments then ruined with poor decision making or pass. Off for KDH.

Coleman, not a left back and can’t compete at this level. Off for Myko or Aznou.

Then see if we need Gana for Tim after 20 mins, and Ndiaye or Beto for Dibling or Barry.

Moyes needs to play N’Diaye as the forward with other attacking players supporting.

Beto and Barry give us next to nothing. With Barry it’s like playing with 10 men. With Beto it’s like playing with 11 men albeit one of them running around like a juggernaut.

Moyes needs to sacrifice what he thinks is an aerial target of a forward with one who can actually play. N’Diaye is robust enough and skillful enough to make this work. I think he’ll hold up play a lot more successfully than the other two. He just needs pace around him.

You can’t keep half your squad completely off the pitch for weeks then throw them all in at once. He’s also seemingly set on consistently playing people out of position.

We’re shooting ourselves in the foot on a regular basis at the moment, it’s extremely frustrating.

It’s his formula. And he’ll convince a lot in this world that this is the best we can possibly do and we should be grateful to have him.

This man couldn’t put a pot in the cabinet if his life depended on it.

Just when you think we’ve turned a corner, the old problems of resting players and others not stepping up and poor options at the top of the pitch cost us. We’ll be trying to get a forward in January again,

Apart from the usual Moyes takes a stapler to a gun fight, the fact that he did not sub the diabolical McNeill, no effort to go along with his lack of pace and energy, is just baffling. McNeill's showing reminded me of an Anthony Gordon performance when he'd decided to leave the club, just couldn't be arsed to break into a trot, never mind try a sprint.

Zero goals in this team.

Very worrying

Then to compound it, Grealish and Ndiaye came on and frankly they were way out of sorts. Overall a very poor performance from manager to most of the players.

So much for Tarky’s rant about we’re going places in the Cups.

As I said in Live Forum, Coleman unfortunately is past it and needs to retire.

Really disappointing stuff in a competition we might have gone further into. Not helpful for any momentum we may have built and an opportunity missed.

And what’s going on with Röhl? He played a few minutes and now he’s disappeared into the void. He did have an injury history in Germany. I hope he’s not another crock.

And how bad was McNeil? He didn’t look bothered. Alcaraz was just as bad.

You’re right. Look at the facts. Must win game. Best defender out injured. What do you do? Drop 7 other starters including the England number 1, a 100 million pound player, and last seasons star man. To add to it you’ve two RB and two LB in the squad and fail to play any of the four in their position.

New stadium same shite

To quote Ange "it's who we are mate".

A club that is boring, no bravery, no identity and zero bollocks to even try and break that mould.

We spent a whole summer messing about with this and that, going to America not addressed the lack of a right back, not addressed the lack of pace all over the pitch and are now much even weaker up front than we were last season, and that's saying something because last season was fucking dreadful attacking wise.

You do wonder sometimes what we are and what we are ever hoping to achieve.

Clubs like Brighton and Bournemouth keep churning out good teams, Palace sell their best players every season yet keep producing results.

We never seem to progress, our only move on the board is regression.

Barry needs to bulk up and start getting tough mentally ASAP otherwise he's going the same way as all of our other shots in the dark from overseas, another weak showing that tonight from him, it's east to say no service but how much service did Wolves front men have? They at least looked lively and showed for the ball.

For a club famed for it's number 9 and strikers over the years, I'm fucking ashamed of our options this season, Beto and Barry the only choice in the entire club roster...

Absolute negligence of duty.

A CF who can hold play up and pass and score a dozen goals at least is a must - no sh*t Sherlock ! 2 attacking FBs are needed. Aznou can cover LB. O'Brien can cover RB but we must bring in new FBs asap.

Moyes in my opinion, unless he suddenly changes his spots, will go in the summer. Only a European place will keep him in the job if I read TFG correctly.

That’s an interesting take. The one good player who sat on the bench for the first hour isn’t as good as we thought? No one else disappointed you?

He didn't want to progress in this Mickey Mouse cup like many times before.

This was an embarrassment and now it's three games on the bounce without a goal. Looks like the bubble has burst and only a good result against the Hammers will get rid of the awful taste this game left.

The power of positive thinking is beyond Moyes.

Another kick in the plums for those who went tonight expecting to see an Everton performance in this cup competition spoiled by the initial line up and the follow up didn’t do anything to improve their spirits and those of us who watched it from the comfort of our own warm houses.

Wouldn’t like to be any of the fans travelling back at the moment especially my grandson, who like many lads of his age has never seen Everton win Dewsbury Hall!

He was awful in preseason and still looks bad.

Plus in Beto and Barry we have the worst strikeforce in the premiership.

Give Grealish a few more weeks and he will want out ASAP.

What's happened to McNeil?? He's fell off a cliff. Playing like he wants to be sold.

If we lose that and have to rely on Beto and Barry for goals, then we’re in for another major struggle this season.

The Goodison factor has always been our saving grace in times of dire need but that safety net is gone.

I don't even need to know what Moyes said before the game. I know the mentally.

But I am genuinely surprised he threw the game tonight.I never thought of him as being cynical.I don't blame the players for this one.

As for after Xmas he doesn't have the squad and is making no effort to build depth.Anyway Finch Farm work to rule after Xmas.

Needs Fans to show their disapproval, and let him know he can't get away with this a Barnsley.Fans were cheated tonight by Moyes. Less games at Bramley Dock.It will be interesting to see who Wolves get next round.

I don't even need to know what Moyes said before the game. I know the mentally.

But I am genuinely surprised he threw the game tonight.I never thought of him as being cynical.I don't blame the players for this one.

As for after Xmas he doesn't have the squad and is making no effort to build depth.Anyway Finch Farm work to rule after Xmas.

Needs Fans to show their disapproval, and let him know he can't get away with this a Barnsley.Fans were cheated tonight by Moyes. Less games at Bramley Dock.It will be interesting to see who Wolves get next round.

In the final end he won the war - after losing every battle.

Someone’s got in in for every single Evertonian, who will once again be on the end of loads of ridicule, after witnessing such an embarrassing display.

Coleman done.

Tark n Keane don't do well together.

Tim not good enough.

Mcneil doesn't want to be here no more.

Dibbing and Alkaraz very disappointing.

Barry and Beto not good enough.

We’ve made a handful of encouraging signings over the summer but scratch the surface and we’re weak. It’ll take a few more windows to fix. To think that starting eleven was strong enough was an error or hubris.

Unsurprisingly no cutting edge in attack again. Maybe time to try Ndiaye in the centre and forget about a big target man. Nearly a week to West Ham which takes on increased importance if we’re going to recover some momentum and optimism.

A lot of those picked tonight had barely kicked a ball, yet were thrown together by the Moyesiah. Yes they performed badly, but some of those selections were downright ridiculous.

I have read stories on TW praising Moyes for bringing on young players. But it's something I have rarely noticed in his previous stint, or this one so far.

The leopard will never change his spots. Nor will Moyes

I will never forget a game a few years ago when, losing 2-1 at Goodison, Moyes took off a striker and brought on Tony Hibbert with minutes remaining.

You can't teach an old dog new tricks.

"Out with the old boss, in with the new boss, we won't get fooled again" is the mantra from the philosopher Townshend but, alas, tonight is sooooo redolent of catastrophes for several recent decades.

What doesn't Friedkin understand about this, and what's he going to do about it???

Why on earth would you start without those two??
It does feel like it was thrown.... for fuck's sake!

Only one person to blame and that is Moyes. I'm sick and tired of manager after manager putting a weakened team out in cup games, with all the best players on the bench.

The team that finished tonight should have been the team that started, get the lead then make the substitutions. It's always difficult chasing a game, no matter how poor the opposition may be.

McNeil played like he didn't want to be there, so why was he not hooked at half-time? Iroegbunham was probably worse, for duck's sake, I doubt if he could pass wind properly!!

And what was the point of replacing Coleman with Mykolenko? It was just a like-for-like substitution, and not one that could have any impact when chasing the game, unless Seamus was carrying a knock?

We had one decent attempt on goal, the free kick that Garner rattled the bar with. Other than that, every attempt we had seemed to be fired high and wide.

I don't recall their keeper making one save. Though having not long got home I would have to look at the stats, or any highlights to confirm that, but I doubt very much it was a game I would like to watch any highlights of.

Moyes needs to ask himself some serious questions if he wants to see out the remains of his contract, because many more poor performances like that and he will be out the door.

If the team he now selects between now and the third round of the FA Cup perform like that, then he will definitely be out the door.

Jake at right-back and Seamus at left-back means two players out of position! Why not put Seamus right-back and Jake left-back? Then at least only one is out of position…

Why is it all over-complicated! These are professional elite athletes who can play regularly. We should have played the team from the weekend and rested players when we are 2-0 up!!!!

After managing us on and off for around 20 years why the fuck couldn't he see this coming!! We all could!….. And I'm a staunch Moyes supporter.

Starting a Premier League season with no recognized full backs and only two forwards -- who are both shite -- is an absolute farce!!! Get some free agents in, for fuck's sake!! Where is the next forward out of the academy! We need a saviour…

Fuck feelings or upsetting anyone, Jordan should play every single game for us. Travers is shit…

I'd seriously consider a false 9, maybe Ndiaye up front at this point. Beto and Barry are beyond shit…. I'd take the number 9 off Beto as well. He's not worthy of the shirt. The big lummox… Give Apostolos Vellios a ring!

Well said. My question is: what's the logic for seemingly prioritizing the league?

We aren't going to win it or get CL, we don't appear to be in a relegation battle. So why “rest” players for the league?

Best case we get top 8 which might mean the Europa or Conference League... if someone already qualified for Europe wins them.

Alternatively, we could try and win five games, and qualify for said European competition and win a piece of silverware. At the risk of what?

Finishing a place or two lower from the middle table range? Seems a no-brainer to me but Moyes is the genius running the show.

I said earlier that I don't think we had a decent attempt on goal, apart from the free kick that hit he bar, but having just watched a brief 2 minutes highlights on the official site, there were two other good chances:

Michael Keane brought a good save from their keeper with a header from a throw-in that was sailing into the top corner.

And James Garner brought another good save with a low shot to the keeper's left which he did well to parry away from danger and have it go for a throw-in.

Still shit though.

The side he put out tonight was/is relegation fodder. We know this from previous seasons. It's simply not fair to expect any (Dibling particularly) of those young boys to play in among that lot.

Timmy Iroegbunam should've gone to Preston, while our prestige young boy should've stayed.

That keeper is a steaming pile of shite!

Valencia, ex West Ham forward. Back playing for his country.

Valencia played for us too! And was quite good

IMO, not as stupid as it may appear considering our revival process.

In the '80s when we entered the Simod Cup and Zenith Data Cup that replaced Euro competitions, I was gutted when we lost in the final.

I'm absolutely sick to death of the loser mentality of this club and some of the fan base, I'm sick of getting shit of kopites and I'm pissed off with negative managers who play boring safety-first shite.

I honestly wish we'd have stuck it out with Marco Silva because we would never have went down that season he was sacked.

We kicked off cos we got our usual thumping at Anfield and chased him and since then it has been a nightmare with the likes of Allardyce and Dyche.

Now Moyes is resorting to type with the cowardly safety-first shite. I'm not sure I'll ever see Everton win another competition as I enter my late 50s...

I'm 66 and, even if I live to 96, I don't think I'll see us win another thing.

And by the way, spot on with everything you said, nothing's changed. I was full of optimism a few weeks ago; all of a sudden, I'm getting a feeling of déjà vu.

Totally fed up.

He'd probably be embarrassed to have his name linked with that performance.

Another balls up from the man that never learns... How many times is this? And the FA Cup will be the same.

Disappointing as it is, I'd still have Moyes over the last three clowns that have managed us and almost relegated us. Moyes will be here for two seasons at least. It's who the Friedkins appoint thereafter that will be interesting to see.

Tim Iroegbunam was signed to appear on a balance sheet not a team sheet.

I hope a few of them will be sharing their thoughts with the manager and players over the next day or two. Imagine that poor coach driver getting home at 2.00am - “Sorry love, the new carpet is going to have to wait for a while”.

Shout out to Rob H, who travelled as usual, endured that farce, got home just before 1.00am and found the courage to watch the “highlights”.

Spot on.

The manager and players have to take a long hard look at themselves on the coming days.

The mentality of Moyes and the squad has also been wrong in the matches, regardless of your opinion on whether we could compete with Liverpool or afford to rotate players for the Wolves game.

They have let the fans down yet again, particularly the thousands who travel to away games.

I too never wanted Marco Silva gone, nor Moyes back.

Leeds - awful.

Brighton - could have been 1-4 down at halftime.

Mansfield - uninspiring, did enough.

Wolves - played some lovely stuff at times, nearly blew it.

Villa - toothless.

Liverpool - pathetic for the first 30 minutes, during which time the game was lost.

Wolves - awful.

A mark of 3.8 out 10 from me, must do better.

We won’t go down with Moyes at the helm but we won’t be challengers for anything either.

I appreciate what he’s done since returning ie saving us, stabilising the club etc… but can he take us further? This is not a knee jerk reaction it’s a simple question regarding our future.

Poor selection by Moyes. Though that said I think some players really let him down. Dibling is the most expensive teenager we’ve bought, you’d think he’d be raring to go and desperate for the ball but he didn’t seem to want it. And McNeill is a seasoned pro who has been one of our best creative players in recent years and yet looked totally disinterested and ineffective.

A real let down from both manager and players. We cannot rely on Grealish, Gueye and Ndiaye every match. We’ll lose 2 of them for December at least.

Moyes doesn't seem to fancy Alcaraz much either, that could go the same way.

Seamus at left back?

Young players like Dibling, Barry and Aznou may already be wondering if they made the right move.

Moyes has work to do if he wants to keep players happy and bring them along with him. It certainly didn't work out last night. Massively disappointing.

The problems from the Summer aren’t going away anytime soon. No decent striker ( let’s be honest two very poor recruits). No quality in full back positions.
Lack the Gana replacement/ stand in.
All this was evident all Summer and we failed to address any of it.
I can’t let our reserve keeper off either. He was awful again last night. Can’t be trusted.
Mid table mediocrity may well be progress from recent flirtations with relegation but it shouldn’t be enough.
Everton fans deserve better than throwing away cup opportunities in this manner and conceding the game at Anfield at the kick off.
I’m sure TFG will also have expected more.