Reports: Koeman installed as Everton's top choice

.....looks like we're goin' Dutch

If we fail in the attempt for Koeman then there's still fine options like Dutch counterpart De Boer who I wouldn't exactly say no to either..

If we get Koeman we're in business.

http://www.oddschecker.com/football/football-specials/Everton/next-permanent-manager

I watched this video the other day.
For anyone aged 45 or younger, you won't believe that once upon a time our fine club really was the envy of the land, the envy of Europe !

Yep.
Want proof ?
Here's a programme made in 1968.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WcAmE5GxGd0

The first 20 seconds have me in fucking BITS !

I think that we Evertonians owe janes daddy BIG TIME !
Stop thinking cheap n shoddy.

GOLDEN VISION !

I watched this video the other day.
For anyone aged 45 or younger, you won't believe that once upon a time our fine club really was the envy of the land, the envy of Europe !

Yep.
Want proof ?
Here's a programme made in 1968.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WcAmE5GxGd0

The first 20 seconds have me in fucking BITS !

I think that we Evertonians owe janes daddy BIG TIME !
Stop thinking cheap n shoddy.

GOLDEN VISION !

Can't believe he has expressed interest (if it's true). Just give him the job! I think this would be a giant step forward.

I thought he'd see us as a step down compared to what he has built at Southampton.

Everton, don't mess this up!

One can but hope, particularly if he could bring Forster, Wanyama, Fonte and van Dijk with him.

Then I flipped to this article and if Koeman REALLY is interested, I'll hire a bus and driver to take the board down to Southampton tomorrow!!!

Ask any Southampton fan, maybe then you'll get Koeman.

He's worked wonders with a limited budget and taken the team
on to the next level even though it's flogged it's best players on a regular basis.

I am delighted rumours seem to centre on these two and not some of the other English managers that have been mentioned.

Give him £100m and he can bring Forster and Wanyama with him.

It will be a massive opportunity missed if the board play it safe with Koeman. De Boer would inspire the whole squad and bring through this golden generation.

On the other hand de boer has won four leagues in Holland. Ajax were in need of rebuilding when he took over too.

For me, he is a big name with a lot of experience who would help attract the kind of quality players we need.

Is he a guarantee of success? No, but he is one of the best chances of delivering it out of the managers who would realistically take up the post.

I like both but prefer the potential of De Boer.

Besides, potential backroom staff off Dennis Bergkamp and Jap Stam vice Sammy Lee.......please!!

Vitesse Arnham - did well enough to get Ajax job
Ajax - won league twice, before resigning due to poor performance.
Benfica - sacked
PSV - won league and left for Valencia
Valencia - sacked
AZ Alkmaar - sacked
Feyenoord - won nothing
Southampton - midtable

This is not the record of a top manager and it is not what we need. He's a journeyman and does not even play good football. I wouldn't trust him with £100m.

De Boer won 4 in a row after rebuilding AJax, but they've gone off the boil the last two years. He's revitalised a struggling Ajax by rebuilding the club from the academy, which always sounds good to me. He also plays nice attractive football.

One from leftfield - Marcelo Bielsa. I banged the drum on him before Martinez got the job. It would be great to see the master coming up against his disciples in Guardiola and Pochettino. Whilst Klopp has stolen every idea he's had from Bielsa's playbook. Why not get El Loco in. He'll make our unfit squad run, run and run, which is the least they deserve after their efforts this season.

If there was anyone in that ground more made-up, I couldn't see them.

Shot out of his seat, face the colour of a turkey cock, fists pumping and running around like a demented little puddin'.

Made me think that the way his contract with Liverpool was terminated, may not have been to his liking.

I just hope the board get it right as another failure may finish me off !

As a natural risk taker I would rather go for De Boer , let's see what he can do in this league with a bit of cash behind him although I would have to insist either Stam or Bergkamp come as part of the deal .

Having said all that let's not rush into a decision ... Bring them both in and hear what they have to say and that goes for other candidates abiet Mourinho , Pellegrini etc

As somebody mentioned earlier, De Boer beat Koeman every season when at Ajax and Feyenoord respectively - and almost head to head in matches too.

Fact the papers have been fed the info must been the two parties have already had informal discussions. I think it would be wrong to not consider De Boer now he is available and doing all he can to get the job.

Koeman hops from club to club and wouldn't be around after 3 years.

De Boer for me.

Erwin Koeman or Ronald de Boer

Koeman also won the Dutch equivalent of the FA cup (winning the double) while at Ajax and also won the Spanish cup with Valencia as well as the 3 league titles. Apparently De Boar hasn't faired very well in cup competitions which is a slight concern as it's the only real chance of us winning silver wear.

I'd also be happy with De Boar but I think Koeman edges it because he's guided Saints to a very good 7th finish (not mid table) without spending much money. Added to that another top half finish last season when they were predicted to be relegated after the RS bought half their team and he managed to get the remaining players who also wanted to leave to play for him. It's kinda where we are with an exodus of players and unrest in the dressing room.

Tbh I don't know much about De Boar's Ajax's playing style but from the stuff I've read in the couple of days. It's possession based and defensive and the antitheses of what you'd expect from a successful Ajax team. Don't get me wrong I think he'll be a good appointment because it sounds like he's had to use youngsters and had a couple of rebuilds like Koeman. That said, I think Saints play good football and they have the right blend between defensive and attacking play.

So it's close between the two, but Koeman edges it for me.

A great bloke who seems modest and genuine. Not a bad football coach either.

Always more annoying if one of ours joins dark side rather than t'uther way round. For example Beardsley or Sheedy. No regrets with either of those and extra sweet when they get one over on them..

We shouldn't be in a rush. We should be taking a considered approach and conducting a proper search for the right manager for our needs.

And what exactly makes you think they haven't been doing the search for weeks? Do you not think that they might have identified Koeman as the top candidate, and are making the move now in order to get him before he either signs a contract extension or goes somewhere else?

Same goes for any other candidate. The writing has been on the wall. The only difference from the past is that it appears that the new owner was working in the background and did what we all wanted, getting rid of him. It would be negligence for a club to not have candidates identified at all time, but especially when the current manager has been poor for 2 plus years.

What happened to going for a proven manager whom has managed in Europe, after all isn't that were we need to be.

Just another Martinez type gamble ending with the possibility of I told you so. I always thought the first question would be at any interview is
what have you achieved?

OK nothing , we will take a gamble on you?
Feb up with this approach.

Robles, Coleman, Browning, Stones, Jags, Mori, Galloway, Baines, Garbutt, Lennon, Oviedo, Mirallas, Delefeou, Barkley, Barry, Mccarthy, Besic, Tarashaj

Out:

Osman, Howard, Pienaar, Mcgeady, Gibson, Kone, Niasse (Loan out), Lukaku (keep (boot up arse) if possible but unlikely)

In:

GK, RB, CB, CM, Left winger, Playmaker, X2 Strikers

I imagine that Mr. Moshiri will have aligned himself with one or two experienced and knowledgeable football management experts who will be there to help and advise him on a variety of footballing issues the most pressing of which at this time being a shortlist for the vacant position of manager.

Isn't good to have (if the media are to be believed) the likes of de Boer, Koeman and Pellegrini interested in the job.

Definitely less of a gamble than De Boer. Seems the guy actually knows how to defend being a defender himself.

Changed my mind, just might be a gamble worth taking. Would be OK with this appointment. Better than Pelegrini and the rest mentioned.

Eugene. I cant get this vision of a Christmas pudding with a Sammy Lee face out of my head now...

Koeman seems to have the ambition and has done well with a Southampton squad that is less talented than ours, but performed better. I like his attitude. His playing career is very impressive, and he's managed big clubs and had success. But, he's switched jobs a lot.

Part of me wonders what a man like de Boer might do. Would de-Boer come in believing that he can take this squad, the youth team, plus the money that will be at his disposal and create a team that can go after the title? And would he believe that this is a club that he wants to be with for a considerable number of years?

How the hell do you know that no conversations have been had? These things happen behind the scenes. They don't parade them in front of cameras during a job interview process. They talk with their agents to assess their interest. And it's quite easy to have a conversation over the phone, Skype, gotomeeting, or anything else.

The fact is that if we want a top quality manager, we have to act quickly because if we don't they will go somewhere else. But you're making the mistake of believing that up until today the Board was operating as if Martinez would be the manager next season. There is no way that was the case, they've been making preparations.

What has he ever won?

Ajax
Dutch Eredivisie: 2001/02, 2003/04
Dutch KNVB Cup: 2001/02
Dutch Super Cup: 2002
Benfica
Portuguese Super Cup: 2005
PSV Eindhoven
Dutch Eredivisie: 2006/07
Valencia
Spanish Copa Del Rey: 2007/08
AZ Alkmaar
Dutch Johan Cruyff Shield: 2009

I imagine there may have been preliminary contacts determining interest, and no more. I very much doubt that we've been moving actively to assess options until pretty recently.

There also isn't any great rush. There are no major jobs out there that are vacant right now. Things move a little more slowly during tournament summers, because there's less a manager can do if appointed. The transfer window doesn't open until July 1.

If we were hitting the second half of June without an appointment I'd be worrying. I don't see any need to hire someone in the next week or two.

The Prem is going to be interesting over the next few years with Klopp, Mourhino?,Guardiola, Conte, Ranieri, Bilic etc so we need to be amongst them with a top class manager.

We certainly don't want the papers (established order) making the choice for us.

Here is a question that popped into my mind when thinking who I would prefer as the next Everton manager.

If the long term future of the club depended on this appointment who would I pick to take over the current squad, sort it out, get it fit and get it playing again? :-

De Boer
Koeman
Benitez
Hughes
Howe
Mourinho

It might cost an extra £20m but personally I'd be getting on the phone to the special one. You will never know if you don't have a go.

Mourhino is a "perfect fit" for Everton.

Perhaps the board have approached the likes of Mourinho and Simeone but they are unlikely options at best. Who else is there? The list isn't that long...

Emery looks decent but failed in his only stint out of Spain. No manager is without blemishes.

If you're gonna rubbish other people's choices then at least come up with an alternative so people can rubbish you!

As for Ronald, well he's won fuck all but Pottichino hasn't been so bad has he?

So that leaves free agents; De Boer and OFM. De Boer it is then.

Colin I'm gonna rename you "Colin Glasser Half Empty" if you carry on with your negativity.

Cheer up man the first step in the right direction has been taken, This aint the time to keep having pops at anyone you can. Be happy enjoy the good news.

Interesting times, but they must get this right: Premier League winners only... that narrows it down nicely – a two-horse race.

We need to be careful though. De Boer may get the hump if we make it clear Koeman is the number one choice. If Koeman then turns us down we're could end up in a bit of a hole.

I'd just go for de Boer from the off. He clearly wants the job, and I think that means a lot. No point just throwing money at Koeman if his heart isn't 100% in it.

My main point is that every manager represents a risk and there are no guarantees. There are many on here dismissing X or Y for this reason and that without coming up with a better solution...because there aren't any. It's all a lottery.

Any one of De Boer, Koeman, Pellegrini, Emery etc might come in and Ranieri or Juande Ramos.

I think Koeman has done a very good job in our league for the last 2 years with a team in a similar position and that's why he gets my vote ahead of those untested in the Prem.

Historic club with an excellent local fanbase, backed up on a national and global basis. A founder member of the original football league and the Premier League – holding the record for spending the least time (4years) out of the top flight. One of the most decorated clubs in English football history but has not won, or seriously challenged for honours for over 20 years. Has withered from a powerhouse of English football to an “also-ran” at best through lack of investment and missed opportunities, particularly in the case of moving from, or developing, their famous spiritual home, which sadly is increasingly looking unfit for purpose. With a key investor now on board and significant revenues coming in via TV deals Everton Football Club appear to have the chance to finally push on as a club, though the competition around them now, from some of the worlds biggest clubs and smaller clubs with matching investment of their own, is immense. The club has a much lauded playing staff seen to have great potential but many of these are either still learning their trade, or are at the end of their careers. Currently managerless the next incumbent would inherit a mixed bag of demoralised players, their job will be to release those no longer wanted, keep those with the most potential and have the ability to rebuild team morale and fill the significant gaps inbetween with the quality that could make a push for Europe and silverware without the budget of the super rich clubs around them in the richest league in world football.

Solution.

Moshiri needs to take full control of the club and dig deep to invest in a serious world class solution to the clubs ground issues. More importantly, in the short term, he needs to appoint a manager who is either a proven winner, or an up-and-coming starlet who can coach and attract the players to firstly keep them in the league, but ultimately elevate the club to challenge for Champions League football and domestic honours.

Managerial Shortlist

Jose Mourinho

Gus Hiddink

Frank De Boer

Mourinho wins 66.01% in 765 matches over a 15 year period. Proven track record ( as opposed to our last appointment)

If you want to go down the "cheap" road we could do worse than stick with Joe Royle with David Unsworth as his understudy and Kevin Sheedy stepping up as the under 21's coach.

They know the club, they know the young talent coming through, and they are all fighters.

Whether Joe Royle would want the top job I am not sure but he certainly has the experience and man management skills.

This is worth a listen if you have half an hour:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=aKqO8AN_g0U

He has done well with Southampton but Mike Walker did better with Norwich and we snapped him up so on that basis; his Premier League experience is really nothing to write home about. Have Southampton featured in any of the cups at any point in his tenure?

I'd take De Boer over Koeman but for me I'd take Cocu over both of them after pipping De Boer to the title in spite of losing his two best performers from last season in Depay and Wijnaldum.

A gamble, but wasn't Pochettino when he arrived on these shores? And he seems to have done quite well.

FdB is way too risky for the current situation, IMHO

Hear hear!!

In my view, Koeman would be taking an enormous risk. Unpopular as he is, Benitez is a winner and an organisational genius, much as I despise him but that can change by putting trophies on the table.

Petty vendettas and sniping will keep us were we are, nowhere. I want a winner and don't care about his past, only what he achieves for us.

So on that I'd welcome any of the names mentioned and knowing BK if we go Dutch he'll probably expect them to pay half the bills.

Quick story about Sammy Lee: I was in the Continental one night(remember it?) trying to chat up this absolute stunner and she said she was his girlfriend so I replied well if you're into fat ginger midgets I've got no chance..... That was the end of a beautiful friendship

Also, the idea that we should get a 'proven title winner' is a little short-sighted. Many a proven title winner are no longer top quality managers, many won because they had huge budgets.

We need a proven manager. Martinez won the FA Cup and we wrongly used that to overlook the obvious flaws in his make up.

Koeman has his teams playing well, he has overcome big players leaving, he is good in the transfer market, he is well respected internationally, and very importantly, he has been successful in arresting bad form.

This season was a big test for him (2nd season) and there was a short spell when it appeared they were going backwards, but he made a couple of changes and now they are on course for an improved league finish.

He may well be here for just 2/3 seasons, as if he is successful then he may well be picked up by a bigger team. But if he leaves us in a stronger position then great, if he has done good enough for bigger teams to headhunt him then that promises a good couple of seasons.

We need a proven winner with an international reputation.
We need a disciplinarian who will kick this squad into shape.
We need someone who can attract the top talent.

For me there are only two choices: Mourinho or Benitez.

1 Mourinho

2 Rafa

3 Koeman

Mourinho is I suspect a dream though.

Never happening. He'll want a CL club.

There is a tremendous amount of work to be done this summer, with so many players coming to the end of their contracts. I don't think it would be an exaggeration to say we will need to sign at least 10 new first team players.

I'm also hoping we can sort out more additions behind the scenes, even a director of football. The days of BK choosing transfer targets with a grateful lower League manager are behind us. Get a big name in, a decent backroom staff and let's start at least looking like we are planning for next season. Massive summer incoming!

No second raters this time please Mosh.

Let's hope Moshiri is putting his stamp on the club. And why do people keep mentioning Hiddink? He's a dinosaur and has done nothing at Chelsea!

I think the guy is a first class prick but he's got to be first choice if he'd consider it. Just imagine the shockwaves...

My big criticism of BK is also over now, he has again acted with the needs of the club at the forefront and accept his own mistake. He's not the long term Director the club needs but I'm sure he knows that too. I think it was me calling BK the Fat Controller that finally got Martinez sacked.

it was intimated in the Guardian that Bill was digging in his heels regarding the manager and only caved in at the last minute. Had it been left to Bill alone, Roberto would still be in the Everton hot-seat. I hope that Mr Moshiri has significant input into the next appointment otherwise we'll end up with Eddie Howe or the return of the prodigal son.

I do however agree with you regarding the next appointee, nothing is guaranteed and I hope they adhere to some of my thoughts on the subject Post (281) on the "who could replace Martinez" thread.

BK keeping his man for way longer than we should have has cost us millions in league places.

Also costing us millions was his decision to give Bobby an unnecessary contract extension.

Comedy gold Martin.

What they are not going to tell him, is that it's from selling Lukaku, Stones and Barkley.

Does that make him a risk? Maybe. However, it seems when he does have talent at his disposal he can play the type of football we all want to see.

I personally wouldn't let either of them near our club - totally self obsessed and unpleasant characters who have to buy their way through whichever club they taint.

Of those realistically on show I would say Koeman - he's proved himself in the Premier League, seems to have a real steadying influence, has played successfully at the highest level, and has had to rebuild Southampton with limited funds at least twice after his squad was ripped apart by the big spenders.

He would be a good choice for the next step up with a few bob to spend and a solid foundation to start with.

For those who say he could eventually be tempted away by one of the big three in Europe - that would apply to any manager we could realistically attract if he were to achieve success here.

Isnt it great to be talking about these options now - it feels like we've had a massive blast of cold mint air blown through our arse.

I do agree with you that if it had have been left to Mr Kenwright alone, Roberto would be at FF for the pre-game press conference and who knows have remained at the club to the beginning of next season.

I do hope that the board are making strategically savvy decisions based on facts rather than emotions, that will be a start for the club to begin it's long climb back to where it should be, however, the fans opinions do matter in the long run, even if they are not always taken into account.

The season was hard and conditions were bad, the club was in meltdown, but the players with Emery at the helm managed to get to the respectable 6th place finish, an incredible feature if you ask me at that point in time, with Mata playing his best season than looking from this point of time and the continuity of several of Valencia's veterans int the next season. "
He did all that at the age of 37/38, if he can cope in those circumstances he'll be fine in the Premier League.
If you looked at Koeman's record before coming to the premier league you wouldn't have taken him on.

Not sure that you can be a fan of an individual but no, I have no unconditional support for BK. What I do is occasionally defend him from some of the ridiculous accusations that are levelled at him on here by people who plainly don't have a clue of how businesses are run and of what BK has actually done or not done at the club. Fair criticism is fine and I support any fair and constructive criticism.

The focus on Emery's performance at one club in Russia and ignoring the rest of the CV is convenient but misleading. He currently manages in the league with three of the top teams in it. Plus, he has won back to back Europa Cup titles and in the final again. That says more to me about his skill versus other good teams in Europe than winning the Dutch title 4 times.

If the only other qualification, other than apparently being Dutch, is only that the manager must win his league, no matter if it is a second tier one, then might I expect Bruce Arena to be added to the list? International coaching experience with USMNT and 5 MLS titles. Seems to check the boxes other than nationality and he can speak American, which is a widley recognized derivative of actual Queen's English. Plus, fitness (other than freaking Stevie G) is not an issue for his teams.

Roll on the announcement when it happens.

Seriously though, whoever comes is not going to guarantee success. Even Mourinho failed with multi-million (x 10) players just a year after winning the League.

This guy Emey interests me as clearly he is operating in a league which is dominated by money-is-no-object teams and yet has managed to win a European trophy two years in succession and has steered them to the final again this year. That implies that they have been consistently at a high level in the Spanish League, so he isn't a one-season wonder.

Unfortunately he is Spanish, so I guess the "once bitten, twice shy" factor will kick in with the Board after Martinez!

I would have Benitez as manager without a second thought.

He won't be our manager though. He is too emotionally tied in to them.

"Mourinho and Simeone are about as likely as Rolf Harris becoming a licenced childminder."

Putting aside your cringeworthy simile, I can't help but be amused that you dismiss the likelihood of Mourinho and Simeone joining us so glibly, but then go to such lengths to big up Benitez.

That would be Rafa Benitez, who started the season as Real Madrid manager, yet was recruited to manager the barcodes with just 10 games remaining when they were firmly entrenched in the bottom three, outside the transfer window so unable to recruit new players, in complete disarray and with a far more impoverished squad than Everton possess.

Money talks in professional sport Matt. Don't dismiss so quickly the most unlikely of candidates who can be attracted by rich renumeration, the promise of a healthy transfer budget and a crop of players in urgent need of the most basic of football tenets a talented manager can quickly put right.

And like it or not, but Benitez is too tainted to be considered for the manager's position at Everton.

Must make a nice change from up Kenwright's 1950s style tea-towel holder.

Would love Emery, but he wouldn't come to us.