Blues cheated of a late win in shocking penalty reversal

I am sure he'll get on at some point but starting him over Doucoure would have been a signal of intent and confidence.

Hope I'm proved wrong by Moyes but, as Duncan Ferguson says right now on TNT Sports, dropping Alacaraz is just bizarre.

Hopefully there is a really good reason…

We've gone for workrate and experience over quality. May just come down to who has better attitude and defensive organisation. COYB

We will see very shortly if that was a wise decision or otherwise…

I'm working with the new site owners to get this resolved, so we can see Everton sitting Manchester Utd as they go into this huge game in less than an hour…

The one thing we don't want is Fernandes being able to look up with the ball at his feet.

I was a bit dismayed when I think the first corner was the same old past the far post for Tarkowski to head back in. My first impression of the first goal was that it was offside but it bounced all over the place before reaching Beto although why does it take 3 minutes for VAR to make a decision. And the second looked like a cock up until that bloke we think shouldn't start because he just runs all over the place turned up running into the right spot.

Oh and one last word, have they been giving free bring your own bowl haircuts at Finch Farm.

Can't love football anymore sadly because of how bent it is now.

Anyway, the game, great first half awful second half, subs should have been made before that odious character Bruno is allowed to score the free kick.

Not sure why Lindstrom was hooked? Was he injured?

Alcaraz should have been on 20 minutes earlier for Doucs.

Anyway very disappointed with that result against the worst United side I've ever seen.

On to Brentford where defensively we'll need to get more back to the basics.

What a joke

But young didnt help overreacting neither

Absolutely hate VAR... and Madley. And fucking Maguire.

What a twat.

Lindstrom may well have needed to be substituted but 5 minutes into the second half and he sends on Young!

It should have been Alcaraz and if he wanted to go defensive then Iroegbunam. It may have worked in the last games but at that time (50 minutes?) of the game it was just wrong, throwing our shape and attack completely out.

And as for the VAR non-penalty, he had his shirt pulled and it shouldn't matter if it caused Young to fall as he did or if he embellished it, he still had his shirt pulled.

But then that Ref was selective on who he gave yellow cards to as some he booked and others he let go despite giving the free kick for exactly the same offences.

Two points thrown away!

The lengths they go to trying to change parts of the game is ridiculous. Nearly 4 minutes again for Beto's goal trying to figure out if Lindstrom touched it when we already knew Beto wasn't offside when Lindstrom might have touched it.

Game turned with Doucoure’s effort which Onana saved. It was a lovely move. We stopped pressing sfter that, gave silly fouls and it didn’t stick up top.

Thought we were very good today and deserved the penalty at the end.

If I'd said it, the Moyes Lovers on here would be demanding my banishment!

VAR checked the referee’s call of penalty to Everton for a challenge by Maguire on Young and deemed that no foul had been committed and recommended an on-field review. The referee overturned the original decision and play restarted with an indirect free-kick

Diabolical decision. Why in God's name was the referee not shown the two camera angles from behind the goal. Even Michael Owen said VAR got it totally wrong. Awful.

Their 50M midfielder finished that half chance beautifully. Our loan left winger had a similar (arguably better) chance and his touch with his chest went above his head. There's your margins.

After that we sat back way too deep. A Moyes flaw of old. Though whether it is on the manager or players is hard to say as there is clearly a fragility still at play here.

And then the penalty. Ludicrous for VAR given no clear mistakes but we are horribly used to such travesties by now. Onwards to Brentford.

VAR corrupt, EPL corrupt. 100% corruption in favour of the so called top 6. EPL you bunch of wankers need to clean up your game! Yes, I am angry.

Two nil up ( should have been more) match was done and dusted - we were in full control , but its same old fragile Everton when a team gets back into the match we just get very nervous
Better players required.

I think fans are coming increasingly to the conclusion that VAR hasn't improved things - especially the long delays when a perfectly good goal is given.

Agree with the general sentiment - should've put the game to bed before half-time, and the general in-game management from Moyes was poor. He gets a pass due to recent form, but this was 2 points dropped.

Young embellished it, no question. Fine - give him another yellow for embellishment but it's still a foul and a pen. Makes me sick.

I broke my normal rule and sneakily checked the score at 2 nil and like lightening checked out immediately. Not fast enough I'm afraid the footballing gods clocked me and smirked as they unleashed the hex.

Its like night follows day.

Should the way Young went down affect the decision?

No.

Did VAR fuckup/cheat by not showing the ref the foul from the right angle, and also "telling" the ref to concentrate on Cabbage Head's "offence?

I think, yes!

If VAR had shown the ref the foul from the angle I saw on a journo's photo it's a cast iron, nailed on, penalty.

I just wish he hadn’t taken everything so calmly as the bad decisions in this game need to be clearly exposed and repeatedly.

His shirt was pulled at twice, maybe even a third, before MaGuire's arm was around him and he was pushed / bundled to the ground.

A shirt pull is a foul. A push is a foul.

A foul in the box is a penalty. That was a foul in the box.

I won't be convinced otherwise, no matter how many pathetic excuses the Premier League and the TNT commentators make.

This wasn't a poor result. The manner in which we let them back in and not to get the penalty, was frustrating.

We are there or there about now and Moyes will soon have achieved his objective for the remainder of this season.

apart from the nailed on Penalty and the unfair distribution of yellow cards, this was a monumental fuck up, in game management.
Immediately after their equalizer, if not before, he should have brought Alcaraz on.

Beto needed support and Harrison and Lindstrom were running on the spot and showing their » that’s all you get » qualities.
these players are extremely limited.
I hope, that they both don’t get a sniff of grass in our new Stadium and that goes for Young also.
We need players with a lot more quality, to shape our future.
Thanks, but no thanks.

I take it you're talking about the same Beto who has scored 5 in 4 games?

John 90 he’s not going to get braver at this stage of his career.

Still fucking gutted like,as I backed us today...but it's still a point gained and we go again at Brentford in midweek
but starting with Alcaraz would definitely help get us a win there!

Are you "wrong for not doing so"? Well, try taking it one week at a time. Do I know more than him in his field, probably not, but should that stop me having an opinion as each game occurs? Or like Mr Moshiri, should I expect to lose certain games or, like Mr Moyes, consider we are a knife in a gunfight?

"Can't believe VAR didn't give that with the 2 pulls but will take it."

If Pickford hadn’t fucked up the free kick, the penalty refusal wouldn’t have mattered.

Was it a free kick in the first place for their first goal? Garner went down twice in similar circumstances in the first half and didn't get the decision.

Maguire through the back of Beto, no card, garner through the back of ugarte yellow card.

The ref had a poor game. Surrounded by united players for every decision made him look very weak. Caving in after awarding the pen didn't surprise me.

If that's Bruno instead of young without a shadow of doubt that pen decision stands.

My motm Branthwaite. Maguire probably has over 50 England caps due to being at United. Jarrod is a rolls Royce compared to him.

Everton should have had that penalty allowed. Worse luck.

The PL recently announced that var would not be making decisions but this corrupt twat spent almost 4 minutes trying to find something wrong with our opening goal and then shows complete bias by only showing Maguires shirt pull and not showing de lights

Terrible, borderline corrupt decision by VAR. No idea how that is a clear and obvious mistake by the ref.

Coming out of the ground, I was angry... but then I started to think: How long has it been since we were furious at only getting a draw against Man Utd?!

Goalie guesses wrong and over commits thinking the shot is coming over the wall. Happens loads of times you probably never even noticed because the shot wasn’t on target / got blocked on the way.

Wish people could show me these always perfect goalkeepers that exist only in their heads.

If goalie stays on ‘his’ side and totally trusts the wall he will still get criticised if it’s within saveable distance if he’d just been moving towards it when it was struck.

The poor guys just can’t win.

Even solely blamed for that one mistake that ‘lost’ us a game we didn’t lose, which they needed to score twice in to get a draw and where we were denied an obvious penalty the ref actually correctly awarded initially!!!

According to the commentators today we would be top 3 with the results since Moyes took over.

We have achieved this despite horrendous injuries to Ndiaye, McNeill, Mangala, Chemitti,DCL,Coleman, Patto etc.

I have also been very happy to see both Everton and Goodison, refind our fight, over the last few weeks, and couldn’t blame David Moyes, because let’s face it for a team with little craft, Everton played some very good attacking football, especially in the first half.

We tired and this suited United, who hadn’t shown much appetite for a scrap, except with regards to getting inside the referee’s head.

It genuinely felt like Fernandez and McGuire, were both refereeing that game by the end today, and I was actually a little bit shocked when I saw the on-field referee point to the spot, because of how biased he became near the end.

Another antagonistic referee is quite normal and although I enjoyed the game, I also feel that football has got to be careful because VAR is taking way too much emotion out of the game and it’s being replaced with anger.

The television masters are making the rules, but they have got to be careful because they are slowly killing the game with regards to the spectators inside the stadium, because I’m certain that people will start to walk away in the end, such are the inconsistencies.

Dermot Gallagher will speak, Keith Hackett will give his opinion and so will Howard Webb, once he’s had the time to get his story straight, but still the match day referee, the man who makes the decisions, will remain silent

The reaction by pundits is often laughable. 'Well he got touched he's entitled to go down'. But when we do it, it's simulation. If so why wasn't Ashley Young booked for diving?

Top planning and analysis to watch your team that.

Apart from his goal he was his usual average self.

I was sat in the park stand and I’ve never been more sure of a penalty, not for a foul but two shirt pulls, clear as Day, I will watch it later, but I know what I saw with my own eyes and cannot believe it was over turned.

I agree with other posters about Young coming on so early, if there was an injury to Lindstrom then I would have thrown Alcaraz on and moved James Garner out a little wider and used his energy for both attacking and getting back.

We had two subs waiting to come on, we had the opportunity to bring them both on when Utd got a throw in, in our half, a chance to slow the throw in and attack down, but we waited and let them take the throw in, we paid the price because they scored before we got another opportunity to get the 2 subs on.

Bad management for me that not slowing the game down, getting the subs on and regrouping.

Down to the bare bones and the effort first half was outstanding, around 8 mins before they scored you could see Doucoure flagging and getting further and further away from Beto, that’s when the two subs should have been thrown on, get some fresh legs on the pitch, big fan of Moyes but he should have acted sooner when Utd were pressing and pinning us back.

Maybe you can get a good performance perspective on a phone, but you’d need massive insect scale eyes, and

a magnifying glass.

Today I certainly would have preferred Alcaraz to have played in his position or Harrison’s and would have been very confident that he would have done a lot better job than either of them but he came on with ten minutes to go after starring in last weeks win at Palace scoring and making goals.